Widespread/Phish/Allmans/Dead/Poseurs
 

No bootlegs. I'll check out the new Allmans. They still put on one of the best shows I've seen. 19 minutes of Jessica - phenomenal.
I don't know what it is about Phish fans. My good friend (different friend) dresses uber-conservatively (maybe b/c he IS very conservative), but he loves Phish. He won't go back to a show though. He was wearing a golf shirt and shorts and two people told him he didn't belong there b/c of the way he was dressed. No real hippie would try to make their "club" so exclusive. It's almost like they've become just the narrowminded people they never wanted to be.

I've always said: Rebelling for the sake of rebellion is no better than conforming. Either way your basing your decisions on other's ideals...Although I'm a hypocrite b/c I love to say "fuck you" to society just for the hell of it...

"Shit. The Doobie Brother's broke up?"

Friday Poll: Greatest age difference?
 

Sounds like a good topic: What is the greatest age difference between husband/wife in your family?

My answer: The husband (my relative) was 38; his wife was 18. She kicked him to the curb within 5 years.

Thriller
 

Now we get to hear PJ blather on some more about her obsession

http://www.cnn.com/2003/SHOWBIZ/TV/0....ap/index.html

Spree: [Another Michael Jackson special for Fox - this time, it's his home movies]

TM

Thriller
 

I don't know that the world is quite ready for a Michael Jackson home movie.

("This is my giraffe. I love my giraffe. I love ALL giraffes. This is my lion. I love my lion. I love ALL lions. This is my roller coaster. I love . . .")

Friday Poll: Greatest age difference?
 

My grandparents were at least twenty years apart, though we are still not entirely sure.

For forty years of marriage, my grandfather believed he was the same age as his wife. Then, one day, he opened an envelope and discovered she was twelve years older than he thought.

Two years later, it turns out she was eight years older than that.

To say she aged incredibly well is an understatment. She outlived him and, at the time of her death in her late 80s, she looked about 65.

E/O

Friday Poll: Greatest age difference?
 

My cousin is about 25 years younger than her husband. He was 55 and she was 30 when they married. They've been married 3-4 years and have a 1.5 year old child.

Thriller
 

You posted it. I was just planning on averting my eyes from that perpetual car wreck this time and mourning quietly on my own.

Widespread/Phish/Allmans/Dead/Poseurs
 

Coltrane,

First, I just noticed the Webster Papadopolis tag-line - that's fucking killer. You're a twisted cat.

Phish fans are the way they are because only doctors' kids from the burbs can afford to follow a band around these days. Back when folks followed the dead, it was a more varied mix of fan, ranging from dangerous bikers all the way to rich white guys with cigars in limos. That was a wild scene - a microcosm of America where everybody seemed to fit in. Hell, who pays attention to what shirt the guy next to you is wearing when you have a head full of acid? If a guy came up to me in a pantless tuxedo at a Daed show I would not have been surprised. That was a scene that can't replicated.

Phish is second rate attempt to recreate the romanec of the Dead's scene. It fails for exactly the reason you cited - the kids are into the look, not the tunes. I think that's because Phish's music appeals to a less mature audience than the Dead'd did. The Dead did classics in the vein of Woodie Guthrie and Leadbelly and infused them with complex arrangements which could approach Coltrane or Miles Davis-esque. The music was also universal - the lyrics were simple folk stories. Phish fills its music with inside jokes and references to childish literature which only Phish fans would recognize. They also strip the blues "dirt" from their music - Phish never sings a drak tale. The closest they get is apocalyptic ballads that sound like science fiction or Lord of The Rings type drivel. Their immature themes create an audience of kids who want to get high and feel safe and protected. They don't have the biker element or the "needle people" you saw at Stones or Dead shows. They have a bunch of college freshman smoking cheap weed and shrooming and pretending their in the circus. Its all very plasticky and contrived, and that's a shame. I miss the circus that was the Grateful Dead. Where else could you split a joint with a biker, some "spinning chick" and an accountant and feel totally at ease. That sort of mind blending doesn't go on at Phish shows and there are too many "Colorado by way of Connecticut" types at Widespread shows. That's a shame. Dead shows were one of the few places where a cynic like me would say "Fuck, at the core, we're all the same - everybody's just looking for a good time."

S(There never will be a replacement for what the Grateful Dead were or the crowd they created)D

PS: Oh, we're agreed. As much as I'm now part of the system, I like to say "fuck you" to society whenever I get the chance. It ain't rebellion - its just annoyance at the red tape. Everything organized seems to be bureaucratic, and my motto in life has always been "faster." I have a Holden Caulfield complex toward bureaucracy.

Friday Poll: Greatest age difference?
 

Mr. Kiss's Grandfather "T" went to war when he was about 24 years old. Before he left his farming community, he visited his neighbors up the road, who had just had a new addition to the family--"M". T held M for a few minutes before heading off to war. When he finally returned to his community 16 years later (he went to war and then was somewhere else for a while) he was smitten with M, and they married within a year.

So, I guess that would be about 24 years.

Yeh, the dead were kinda cool, but...
 

Sebman, the place where you really hit it was here:

Yeh, the dead were pretty cool. Their concerts were definitely a thing. But the dead were not Trane or Bird or even Miles. There is cool.

Best concert I ever saw was a Keith Jarrett concert. He is the true inheritor of the legacy.

Friday Poll: Greatest age difference?
 

That's a very sweet story, but now I'm never gonna let ANYONE hold my kid. Fuckin' perverts, all of 'em.

If you let your PM box fill up so you can't receive messages, OK, fine whatever, it wasn't that important anyway. But if you let your PM box fill up so you can't receive messages, send PMs that say, were you trying to PM me, 'cause my box was full, and then let your PM box fill up again so that you can't receive the response, well now, that's a little irritating.

That's all I'm saying.

I know there's a help Board, but this one gets more traffic
 

I need PM Inbox help.

And no, PP, this is not a gratuitous look-how-popular-I-am post.
;)

Where do messages go when you "move" them?

Why can't I see all my messages?

Why is my inbox still full even though I deleted all the crazy ranting vitriolic PMs from Not Bob*?

I can't be the only one with these questions. If MR, Leagl, or somebody who has figured this all out will reply, I'll test things out and cross-post on the Help Board.

r(*NotBob did not send me crazy vitriolic messages, I was just funning)p

reasonable inferences
 

Now some of you might take my message and Tyrone's message together -- which obviously were being drafted at the same time
-- and deduce that I am the poster to whom he is referring.

But that deduction might not be accurate, especially if it makes me seem like a dork.

r(can do that all on my own, thanks)p

Yeh, the dead were kinda cool, but...
 

Great concerts, but I never heard anyone moan so much as they played. First time, I thought he was sick.