Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 

The twisted irony is, I believe the trickle down economics solution to the 2008 recession, a GOP policy followed by Obama, is the root cause of this. You can't provide a recovery to exclusively 5% of the country and expect those left out to remain happy. You also cannot suggest to them that you can make it all okay for them with safety nets that cannot be afforded.

Sadly, what's missed in all of this is, No One Can Bring Back the Jobs. We are beyond silly cures like protectionism. And immigration is not the problem. Those who believe they've just sent the ultimate hand grenade to Washington will soon enough learn there's nothing but a facade left to detonate. Trump blowing up the Establishment does not a jobs recovery make.

I'm seeing a glass half full because I think he'll be good for infrastructure and he'll attempt to cut deals with Democrats (which he was until two years ago). I'm also seeing what might be the mother of all Pyrrhic victories by the "left behind" classes of the country.

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I didn't mean you literally. I was speaking more broadly than that. Apologies on any lack of clarity on that. You are one of the most open minded people about this stuff here. And among those I often disagree with, the voice I most respect on issues. I've changed numerous opinions in the past based on insight you've offered. (And that's no easy feat.)

My vote for Johnson just as likely harmed Trump as it might've Hillary. Trump voters gave me shit for it last night. But it's only a lost vote for either candidate to people who argue I had an obligation to vote for one candidate and against another. No one has that obligation, and it's the height of arrogance to suggest otherwise.

Trump fans have asked me how I felt not being part of the wave. No one seems to grasp, people like SEC and I had no choice but Option C.

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 

Keep telling yourself that. All 140,000 dumbass Gary Johnson voters in PA can tell themselves that bullshit before bed every night for the next 40 years.

"It wasn't just me. There are lots of fucking stooges just like me here in PA. Ah. I feel much better now."

TM

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 

You're looking at this wrong. Now the country has opened its eyes to the magic of libertarian principles!

What a fucking joke.

TM

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 

Right, because you're NEVER part of the problem. You're just a special, principled snowflake.

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 

Yeah, right now is a great time to pretend we're just making that shit up.

ETA: To expand on that, this is exactly what happened last night. We had a massive electoral exclamation of "I'm not the problem, it's them." It's you in a nutshell.

Clearly you do not.

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 

You are the dumbest person with any brains I have ever met. You just say dumb shit all the time.

If Trump had any fucking policy positions other than destroy immigrants, frisk black people, build wall, cut taxes at the top, cancel trade, charge our allies for protection that you could point to, maybe you would have a point. He doesn't, so you don't. Like your arguments, he is completely fucking devoid of any ideas. You can't say "Get off your high horse when it comes to your ideas because the unthinking, who I disdain more than anybody (and who have voted for someone who has literally no ideas and no plan for anything), don't like them." The fact that you can't see the disconnect in your own post would be shocking, but I've read a lot of your posts. And they're all like this.

TM

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 

The "Bernie woulda won"s are just a little too much this morning. I don't have the energy and I'm sleep deprived.

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 

As much as the GOP, clearly.

What planet are you on? We just found out that way more people come out to vote for racism and misogyny than against it. Nothing about that is the same as before.

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You're starting to piss me off.

I know tons of fucking Americans. To suggest that I go to areas of this country that support Trump where I am not fucking welcome to get to know those assholes because, as you have implied above, they are real Americans is disgusting.

This narrative that only the left feels superior to those on the right is just complete trash. The right feels just as superior, if not more. They think they have the approval of God. They think they're the only ones who are Patriotic. They think they're the only ones who actually work. They think rural America is the real America.

I don't know what the fact that you buy this shit says about you. But it ain't good.

TM

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This would be a powerful critique is any of it was true. But you know, facts, man.

That even you believe it says a ton about our problem.

Dear America:
 

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 

Bernie would not have won. Joe Biden would have had a puncher's chance.

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 

A crap load of those people weren't voting for racism and misogyny. They were voting against Hillary. Check out the polling data for the race among the two most unpopular candidates ever. A majority of people just came down on the other side of the lesser of two evils analysis.

Sebby and I, OTOH, chose not to vote for evil in any form.

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No argument there. I still don't know where I will end up, but I am clearly no Trumpist Republican.