Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 

I am not putting any stock on ANY polling data coming out of this race.

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 

My point last night was that people with libertarian ideals who chose to vote for Johnson and thereby elected Trump have done their conscience and their ideals a disservice. Property rights depend on the rule of law, and Trump is a far greater threat to the rule of law than Hillary Clinton ever would have been.

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 

It's not a twisted irony, it's having a GOP Congress. Obama didn't "follow" GOP policy, he lacked the votes to legislate. McConnell and the GOP figured that people would hold this against Obama instead of the GOP, and you have shown why that was both good politics and bad for those of us who aren't professional Republicans. But you said yesterday that there's really no difference between having a Democrat and a Republican in the White House, so we can all take solace in that.

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 

Sigh.

Re: Apologies to Dr. Suess
 

If this is the part of the story where Trump's heart grows two sizes, we have that going for us. Or is it his hands?

The resentment on the part of white people like you is a cultural fact, but it still baffles me. You're not poor, you're lead a pretty nice life, Trump just won the election, and you're still identifying with the Grinch.

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 

Trump would have had a harder time running against someone who wasn't from the Washington establishment.

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 

I'm sure that's what they told themselves, but it didn't bother them much.

If you poll people about what they think, I'll bet you don't find many racists and sexists. Problem solved!

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 

Exactly.

https://cdn0.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/537...377/emails.png

That's fucking nuts.

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 

But the exit polling shows that people who hated both candidates broke for Trump. They disliked her more. [ETA: keep this in mind as you malign the PA Gary Johnson voters. ]And a lot of those people were women, and I think you'd have a hard case to show that those women hate all women.

http://thelibertarianrepublic.com/ex...hated-clinton/


•Americans who viewed both Trump and Clinton unfavorably (18% of the population) broke at a rate of 49% to 29% for Trump.
•Of the 17% of the population who believed the next President should be more liberal than Obama, 23% went to Trump, implying some leftover anger from former Bernie Sanders voters.
•25% of voters stated that they voted for their candidate because they disliked his/her opponents. Of that group, Trump won 51%. In other words, he was viewed as the “lesser of the two evils.” Trump also narrowly won (49% to 48%) with voters who stated that they had “some reservations” with their chosen candidate. Meanwhile, Clinton handily won (53% to 42%) with those who “strongly favored” their candidate.
•Of those polled, 29% answered that neither candidate is honest. Trump won that portion of the electorate by a margin of 45% to 40%.
•When asked which candidate is qualified to be President, 14% answered “neither.” Trump won among this group by a split of 69% to 15%.
•In response to the question of which candidate has the better temperament, 14% answered that “neither does.” Trump won these voters 71% to 12%.


I don't think these people are all racist and hate women.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/cbs-news...us-presidency/

More telling is the gender breakdown among white voters: Trump beat Clinton among white women 53 percent to 43 percent. This was close to Romney’s margin in 2012.

Some 89 percent of self-described Republicans voted for Trump; 91 percent of white Republicans did. In contrast, only 84 percent of white Democrats voted for Clinton. She did win 86 percent of white Democratic women, but only 81 percent of white, Democratic men voted for her.

Surprisingly, given all of the attention to Trump’s attitudes and behavior toward women, he did virtually as well among white, Republican women (91 percent support) as he did among white, Republican men (92 percent). Clinton was more competitive among white independent women than men, losing to Trump by a 49 to 41 percent margin among independent women and by 57 to 31 percent among independent men.

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 

Clearly the media is biased against Hillary, especially in the general election.

Said no one ever.

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 

OK. If you're trying to get me to defend the straw man that every Trump voter is a racist who hates woman, I'm going to have to pass on that one.

But Trump says a lot of bigoted stuff, bigly. Anyone who voted for him decided that wasn't so much of a problem for them as, say, Hillary's lack of authenticity. And for a lot of them, it had to have been part of the appeal. As a human being, I think that's pretty sad.

Eight months ago, I thought Trump would win the GOP nomination and then split the party. You are living proof of the dynamic I thought I'd see, that many Republicans would be disgusted by him and would not vote for him. I was wrong -- there were far too few of you, and far too many Republicans who could accommodate themselves to voting for him.

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 

Ah, yeah, except me.

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 

It's more complicated than talking about "bias." Do you think most reporters voted for Hillary? Sure. But the media gave Trump massive free coverage. And it devoted countless hours to a bullshit email story. There was never any chance that a prosecutor would bring charges against Clinton, and the reporters all knew it, but the Clinton rules presume her to have done something wrong even when the actual facts show otherwise. I suspect that many Americans think there was something criminal just in her having set up her own server, which is categorically false. (Jason Chaffetz has House business cards with a gmail address on them. The Bush White House ran plenty of email traffic through a RNC server.) A media that was trying to help Clinton win never would have acted that way.

Donald Trump is a media personality, a reality TV star. Hillary Clinton has had a hate-hate relationship with the media for going on forty years. When Democrats think about what kind of candidate will do well, they ought to think a little less about policy chops and a little more about media savvy. You can always hire a policy wonk.

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 

Which is another way of saying this was a "whitelash" at Democratic identity politics that ignored/excluded/offended blue collar middle class whites in supposedly solid Democratic states for decades all wrapped up in a life-long, grasping, super-slippery, Washington political insider. The Dems can also congratulate themselves.

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 

link

Hillary ran a race that was less about her plans and more about fear of Trump, and voila.