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Why should an intentional act, designed solely to deceive a referee and serving no other sporting purpose, be tolerated, especially when it sometimes works?

if this is going to be 2 hours of soccer analysis, I'm gonna try to get my money back

Anne Elk

06-11-2010 04:15 PM

Re: Needing tips

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Originally Posted by LessinSF (Post 426241)

Doesn't the opening match being a 1-1 tie sum up everything crappy about Futbol? Well, except for they still need a stat for flops, dives, cheating, and bad sportmanship.

A tie with Mexico is actually an impressive result for the South African team.

Anne Elk

06-11-2010 04:17 PM

Re: Needing tips

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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 426248)

let me answer for coltrane. it was a black team playing the Mexicans. tomorrow white teams will play and all the flopping will stop.

how bad must the south african who missed that shot feel? he makes that shot he has gotta get laid 1000 times for it.

Actually, the serious flopping doesn't start until Monday when Italy plays.

Hank Chinaski

06-11-2010 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) (Post 426265)

Turn on the NBA finals and watch Pau Gasol. Within five minutes you'll have an example. Even if four of those minutes are ads.*

*Which, by the way, are less painful to listen to than Mark Jackson. I am increasingly sour on former players as color commentators. They've gotten worse and worse as more players seem to get into the business (more sports on TV?) They routinely rely on cliches without much ability to communicate coherently what the players are thinking. Repeating stupid maxims that coaches might use as a quick reminder (hand down, man down!) really don't add much and, in fact, subtract greatly. Some former players can do it well--they can add value to the broadcast with strategy discussions and observations about the physical difficulty of certain acts. Mark Jackson cannot.

zeke was actually pretty good, but quit. the best was when Doug Collins was coaching and yelling at aguy who turned the ball over- Zeke goes "You know, an NBA players knows when he screws up. You don't need to tell him turning the ball over was bad." I kind of like dit because Zeke's worst turnover had him blaming Laims.

PS why would someone give Collins another coaching job?

Flinty_McFlint

06-11-2010 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) (Post 426265)

If I heard the broadcast team sing the praises of Doc Rivers for putting bench players in the game one more time, I think I'm going to puke. "Look how much trust he has in his players, putting reserves in the game and leaving them there while the key players rest." Uh, yeah? Isn't that the point of having a bench?

Hank Chinaski

06-11-2010 04:25 PM

Re: Needing tips

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Originally Posted by Flinty_McFlint (Post 426270)

I know you weren't a starter, so what this says to me is you didn't even sit bench.

LessinSF

06-11-2010 04:31 PM

Re: Needing tips

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Originally Posted by LessinSF (Post 426241)

Doesn't the opening match being a 1-1 tie sum up everything crappy about Futbol? Well, except for they still need a stat for flops, dives, cheating, and bad sportmanship.

I was wrong. The second game topped it. And no one got free pizza or shots.

ThurgreedMarshall

06-11-2010 04:33 PM

Re: Needing tips

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Originally Posted by Did you just call me Coltrane? (Post 426262)

Isn't that exactly what it is? If the defensive player establishes a position on the court (regardless of whether he anticipated where the offensive player was going), an offensive player cannot "charge" into him.

The foul was created to penalize overly aggressive offensive players. Running and jumping to a spot in anticipation of where a player will be is not the point. That's why a charge is supposed to only be called when the offensive player clearly has time to make an adjustment to avoid running someone over, but doesn't.

The problem is, the whole concept has morphed into a reward for a defensive player for anticipating where a player will go. And to the extent that you get in a player's way, that's absolutely good defense. But at least 70% of charges called occur when a defensive player slips into the path of an offensive player who is already (i) in his two-step move to the basket or (ii) in the air!

The other point is, even if you are in perfect defensive position in time and the offensive player makes some contact and you pretend it's enough to make you fall, you shouldn't be awarded. The whole point of the foul is to penalize the offensive player for being so aggressive that they hit the defensive player more than is necessary. But refs now make the call based on good defensive position, instead of the aggressive nature of the guy with the ball. That's the problem.

Hell, it's called "charging," not "making contact."

TM

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)

06-11-2010 04:34 PM

Re: Needing tips

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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 426269)

PS why would someone give Collins another coaching job?

You ask this in a post that includes Isaiah Thomas in a world in which he has a coaching job?

greatwhitenorthchick

06-11-2010 04:37 PM

Re: Blackhawks Parade

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Originally Posted by Did you just call me Coltrane? (Post 426238)

I had to take the El over the parade to get back to my office!

Actually, the parade is pretty cool, even though it's amateur hour. "Look, it's the Sears Tower!" "I can't believe how crowded it is!" Go back to Hillbillyville, IL then, farmer Ted. It's kind of like St. Patrick's Day.

Hockey fans (myself excluded) are not generally known for their wit and sophistication.

Hank Chinaski

06-11-2010 04:38 PM

Re: Needing tips

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Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 426273)

maybe the call needs to be updated. it's basically the same rule as when the offensive player only got 1.5 steps, or maybe it is the perfect answer to also allowing the 3 step drive.

Flinty_McFlint

06-11-2010 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 426271)

I know you weren't a starter, so what this says to me is you didn't even sit bench.

Look, I know you're all depressed about Izzo, but at least try and make your posts worthwhile. A+ for legibility though.

Sidd Finch

06-11-2010 04:40 PM

Re: Needing tips

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Originally Posted by LessinSF (Post 426241)

Doesn't the opening match being a 1-1 tie sum up everything crappy about Futbol? Well, except for they still need a stat for flops, dives, cheating, and bad sportmanship.

For the last two weeks I've been listening to people bitch about how a so-called "perfect game" -- i.e., a baseball game where no one gets within 3 steps of scoring -- was "ruined" because the ump allowed someone to get to first base. Oooooooo.

Today I have to listen to those same people complain that soccer is boring because "no one scores". These are people who go to games where the most exciting moment is when the three dots race each other on the screen.