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Drawn by the sheer irresistability of Ahnold, I've switched political parties and am therefore now kinder and gentler.

Will you sign a petition to amend the constitution to get rid of that pesky "born here" requirement so that he can be the leader of the free world sometime soon? It's destined.

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The underlying rationale adopted by the Supremes for deportation is also quite disturbing. The lead cases on deportation hold that normal constitutional protections such as due process do not apply, because deportation is an exercise of a fundamental power of a sovereign that is extra-constitutional (just like the power to declare martial law and suspend the constitution, as Lincoln did in the West during the Civil War).

This makes deportation and the INS our equivalent of the old Soviet "mental health" wards.

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The possible soundbites he'd have to Saddam and Osama are mindboggling.

You won't be baaack.

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Where is the disturbing part? That we send them back alive and generally uncrippled so that they can just come back again? Maybe we should just summarily execute such people. Or at least imprison them like the Soviets did. They had some good ideas, those Soviets. Social policies were massively underrated just because the economic system didn't work so well. Sad, really.

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Sure, only if in return you will sign one for a constitutional amendment making it clear that straight marriage should be outlawed.

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Then you need to thicken your skin bc I am a law abiding citizen. ANd if you think I am wrong on the immigrants who drive, I suggest you spend a couple of days navigating around Los Angeles. THen get back to me.

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I think you're arguing hypotheticals. DMV people usually don't do the job they're suppose to, let alone more.
I'm in line at a NoVa DMV; It's a trailer in a parking lot, and there is a long line. Right ahead of me is a guy on crutches with pretzeled legs, all twisted around. That is, he can't be faking a handicap. He's renewing his handicapped plates. First, why would he have to wait in some big line to get a plate so he won't have to walk far given his handicap?
Anyway he eventually gets to the clerk who looks at his papers, looks confused and asks him for the docter evaluation. looking at his legs I was ready to give an evaluation based solely on my JD, but she was looking for some seal or something.
He asks her if he doesn't just need that first time, not for renewel. she looks confused for a second, then makes a decision "No you need it every time!"
luckily the guy asks to talk to a supervisor who says no note is necessary for renewel. This bim was going to put this pretzeled guy out of line to go to a doc, get back in line,etc. just because she didn't want to ask a question.

So anyway, whether DMV people are asked to fill out a referral to FBI/INS form, or not probably isn't too important.

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People, please. Way too deep. I had to go out and check the door cuz I thought I had stumbled into the PB. Let's talk about sex or shoes or hockey (sseason starts tonight, by the way). I cannot believe that I am the one who has to slap everyone to refocus.

Not that it matters, but my view is that people who enter the country illegally should be sent back to their own country. If Gwinky is so opposed to this perhaps she can get the great state..er...country of Canada to volunteer to take them all in. You know, all those hugging quasi-socialist countries in Europe don't let immigrants, legal or not, into their fold in number anywhere close to what we do. And I don't buy the "America is the land of bread and honey and thus owes everyone else in the world a chance there" argument. Get down to brass tacks and you have a good argument to prevent me from tossing a homeless person who decides to walk into my house and stay because I have it better than he does. Accident or not, this is my country and I don't want to fucking doors thrown wide open, especially when we have more than enough homegrown deadbeats to take care of.*

*Many immigrants are hardworkers but there are some who are not and who come here to try to take advantage of the system. It sucks to know that there are lawbreakers (read: people who got here illegally) who receive free healthcare when there are struggling working-class Americans who have no coverage and can't afford to see a doctor until it is too late.

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Um, no. In line with my new party affiliation, I recognize that hewing to the party line (or what I am told by certain people is the party line) is far more important than expressing my actual views. Really, You People should not be allowed to vote at all unless you demonstrate that you are actively engaging in therapy to cure you of your deviant behavior. And that you are celibate or only having sexual relations with a member of the opposite sex to whom you have been joined in holy matrimony. And that you've undergone a full-immersion adult baptism. Because only that will prove you love Jesus our Savior who died on the Cross for our Sins.

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German Bar Offers Kindergarten for Men

HAMBURG, Germany - A German bar is offering women who want to go shopping without their partners the chance to park them at what it bills as the country's first kindergarten for men.

For $11.80, the Nox Bar in downtown Hamburg is offering boys' games and home-improvement coaching as well as a meal and two beers for men left there for a Saturday afternoon, while women are free to shop in the city's swanky boutiques.

So far, the "Maennergarten" has been a hit, with 20 men dumped there the first week, and 27 last Saturday, bar manager Alexander Stein said Tuesday.

"Many of the guys see it as just a gag, but then were surprised to find they got on really well with the others," Stein said.

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1. What man wouldn't prefer to stay home, drink beer, and watch a game to schlepping to a Maennergarten?

2. Could they get report cards saying that they play well with others?

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Paigow, I did not realize that ingestion of large amounts of shrooms was the characteristic of a law abiding citizen. But whatever - I don't want to fight with you. I'll go about my business with my thin skin and you can navigate the treacherous streets of LA and bitch about the crappy immigrant drivers. We'll get along just fine.

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I will not dispute this characterization. But when it clicks, there are few things funnier. Monday night's show (before I switched back to MNF) had Lewis Black, Dave Attell, Steve Colbert, and Nick DiPaulo and it was hysterical. For me, part of the show's charm is when it doesn't work. And for lines like this:

"I used to work at MTV. You know that show 'Where Are They Now?' Well, I'm here."


--COLIN QUINN

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But no one is being deported because they applied for a license. We've established, through our normal law-making process, rules concerning who gets to move here from outside our borders, as does most any sovereign country. If someone is here in contravention of those laws, they are existing illegally here. Unless we all get to pick and choose which laws we wish to see applied in our daily lives, I think we can work to change the laws with which we disagree, but we should follow them. Rule of law, and all that fun stuff.

Granted, individual cases always paint a sympathetic picture, but the macro view actually counts, here, too - a large influx of immigrants causes disruption to our economy, and also lessens our ability to provide for security against dangerous individuals from outside our boundaries - a valid concern these days.

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I look away for a second to announce that our own Sebastian Dangerfield is the new moderator of Ex-Lawyers and I come back to find this.

Tangentially related, this morning's Texas AMBER alert for missing children was for a sixteen year old undocumented alien kidnapped by an immigrant smuggler. Very very sad. I hope they find him safely.

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Sigh, you know, really, we all know the only reason straight people ever have a problem with gay people is because they themselves are gay and in denial. It has nothing whatsoever to do with the indoctrination of negative views of homosexuality that are, of course, not rampant in our society.

So why don't you get it over with and go fuck a woman already.

Then you too can be a sinner, an abomination before the eyes of the almighty lord, and also, have fabulous orgasms. Because as we all know, lesbians are better at having sex with women than men are. And all women are just a drink or two away from a lesbian experience.

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I was going to go with a "why are we spending resources on this" thing but even I couldn't do it.

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I'd take it to PB, but that board's a bit wacked out today. PP/JRuss war has supplanted traditional Ty/Bilmore food fight. And fringey is over here espousing newfound radical Ahnuldistic/Stalinistic causes instead of over there delivering the left hook.

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Really, all women are just a drink or two away from all kinds of sinful behavior. Which is why they too should not be allowed to vote and should perform their proper function in being subordinate to their fathers, brothers, husbands, sons and just any man on the street. Unless the man is not here legally -- I'm not sure how that plays out but I'm working on it.

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Ummmm.... yes, I suppose so, but you can substitute "home-grown American deadbeats" for "immigrants" -- what's the point? That one group was born here and one wasn't so the home-grown deadbeats are somehow more honorable?



Hmmm. How exactly does this work? How do illegal aliens get free healthcare? I think illegal aliens are actually terrifed (and no, that's not an exaggeration) to receive any kind of healthcare in a public hospital, because they fear being turned over to INS. So how exactly do they get free health care? Because they can't pay for it, they don't have to? Well, the struggling working-class Americans can do the same thing (and, amazingly -- they do!). Non-payment by deadbeats of any persuasion is why a dose of Tylenol costs $85 for those of us who do have health insurance.

I'd really be interested to know the scam that all these illegal aliens are pulling to get free health care!

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PLEASE, I thought you were becoming an Ahnuldist more than a Republican. Do you doubt that he has screwed and will screw anything that moves? Do we need to get ShapeShifter in here to verify that Arnold's done Reptiles?

[edited to change "her" to "here" - sorry, Freudian thing-a-majigee]

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Women and reptiles exist only to please men. And less-wealthy, less-powerful men exist primarily to please wealthier, more powerful men.

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Liberal states? Since when is Texas a liberal state? We have a HUGE undocumented population, and we all live pretty much in harmony. (Edited to add, I'm pretty sure that it boils down to how each state pays its taxes. We don't have an income tax, so pretty much all of our undocumented population is paying the same sort of taxes that everyone else is paying for state services: sales and property, the latter usually in the form of rent.)

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Oh, well everyone knows a man who would illegally cross a border is a bad person. He just wants to steal jobs from good, honest, hard working americans, who would happily have taken those jobs but for those damn illegal aliens.

Women do need to learn their place. They should stay home, get pregnant and cook. And iron. They should iron. With lots of starch.

When I got nonlegally married to a woman, I will make her stay home and take care of the home. Because someone has to wear the pants in the family, you know, there has to be a "man" in the relationship. So she should stay home, have children (science is a wonderful thing - as long as it doesn't in any way interfere with our views of God,) until we die. At which point our place is you know, down there.

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Unless you've completely joined the lunatic fringe, you understand that the position that such snide comments support is, we need to open our borders to one and all. Is that a position that you are willing to defend?

'Cuz, if not, the joke is kind of cheap.

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And some have truly unfashionable footwear.

Which reminds me of a bit from the Man Show back when it was sometimes funny. They did a fashion show, and one of their categories was the Hispanic Guy Who Has No Idea What His Shirt Says. The model was a hispanic guy wearing a "Daddy's Little Princess" tshirt. I think he was wearing it especially for his drivers license photo.

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Your people seem to spend a lot of time on Earth focusing down there. Perhaps that explains why you end up there. Think about it.

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We are comfortable with you thinking this.

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Flightless bird, please.

Are you suggesting the only policy choices are "throw them all out" or "let them all in". I know you live near a border where more Americans want out than Canadians want in, but there are a wide range of complex issues involved in immigration policies (just to focus on one, asylum and who qualifies). Making fun of your "they're all bad" approach is fair game.

Speaking of game, it would be more fun to shoot you down if you could fly.

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That is the point, we have enough homegrown ones and can't do anything about them (the State is still considering my concealed-carry permit) so why should we permit others to just walk right in and join them?

OKay, I don't want to get into a real technical argument about it so I will simply say that in general publicly funded hospitals cannot turn anyone away. This includes illegals. Privacy laws, lying on intake questions, overburdened INS (now Homeland Security), bleeding hearts, etc. tend to permit illegals to seek the care without fear of reprisal. Although a truly tragic and sad story, I didn't see anyone clammoring for deportation of that heart-lung transplant girl whose parents had walked her over the border illegally only to have her die due to a medical tragedy.

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1. It doesn't say that at all. I'm not getting involved in the immigrant argument, such things belong on the politics board and frankly I don't know enough to make an argument one way or the other. I wouldn't presume therefore to suggest what is appropriate or innapropriate about a subject in which I have little to no knowledge. I'll leave that to people who have studied the topic, or people like GWNC who have some experience therein.

What I have been making fun of for several posts now, is the stereotypical statements people make about people. Whether they be men, women, homosexuals or immigrants. Ltl made a comment about illegal immigrants, as was appropriate for our joking back and forth, I threw a stereotypical response back. And one thing I do know is that people say, those damn illegal immigrants, they are stealing our jobs.

2. Of course it is cheap.

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Okay, but without getting real technical or anything, can you explain how it is that these publicly-funded hospitals are treating illegal aliens but not treating working-class Americans? Because you originally said that those damn aliens were getting health care and working-class Americans were not.

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Well all we think about is sex. It's all about the sex. We can't help it. Much like alcoholics, or drug addicts, or what have you.

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YES! The Fringey left hook! We're back on the PB.

(Can we get the PB back now and move this over there (Thrashers, feel free to join us, you're a PB natural) -- don't you all want to talk about sex and stuff?)

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And our health care. Don't forget, they are taking healthcare away from decent, Godly-fearing workingly-class Americans.

And apparently you have not recently reviewed the memo that bilmore now completely lacks any sense of humor, particularly about anything the least bit political. It's all black and white and I'm not talking about race here. Hm. Perhaps we need a new phrase. It's all soaked or arid, no humidity or dampness permitted.

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Fuck. I slipped. I will confess and repent. You are male, do you forgive me? When telling me, please let me know your level of wealth and power so that I know whether I'm really really OK or just kinda OK.

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More vice versa. You know the old "Do you have any Reptile in you? Want some?" line? He falls for it every time. So I've heard. NTTAWWT.

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You are so talking about race! You have just insulted a rather substantial minority in this country. What are you thinking?

You bigoted bitch.

And we all know it is gay people with that there AIDS fucking up the health care system. Get your facts straight...um sorry, clear.


Yeah, missed that memo. Can't be too harsh though, made the same mistake myself from time to time.

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I was going to edit this where it was but figured that would cheat people who are caught up.

For "such people" substitute "such vermin."

um, hi.
 

Welcome to the Fashion Board.

In fact, this is the New Fashion Board.

So, move the politics to politics and keep the sex, drugs, and rock and roll here.

Thank you.

Your formerly lowly FB moderator now elevated to Admin but I still love all y'all mostly,

Even Odds

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Because the Americans that fall into the gap -- not poor enough to get Medicaid and not enough money or good enough job to have insurance -- tend to at least have something that the hospital can go after for payment. And believe me, they do. And the legal residents have social security numbers and the like to make them easy to track down for payment.
Illegals tend to come into the hospital, get treated and then disappear -- you are not readily trackable if you are here illegally.

And I never said "damn aliens," please don't put words into my mouth and make me appear inflammatory.

What you fail to understand is that the only aliens I am opposed to are foreign hockey players -- I think they should have to become American citizens so that they can't play for another country and kick Team USA's ass in the Olympics.