LawTalkers - Offering constructive criticism to the social cripples in our midst since early 2005.

Pin the Tale on the Donkey
"I cannot swallow whole the view of Lincoln as the Great Emancipator... As a law professor and civil rights lawyer and as an African-American, I am fully aware of his limited views on race. Anyone who actually reads the Emancipation Proclamation knows it was more a military document than a clarion call for justice."

-- Senator Barack Obama

A decent start, but clearly you can dig deeper.

Godspeed, rookie.

Tyrone Slothrop

07-01-2005 08:19 PM

Enough with the holier-than-thou stuff.

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Originally posted by Penske_Account
I think the point is that the liberals are self-loathing anti-Christian christ haters who try to pervert the effect of the establishment clause to eliminate any mention of God and his dominion over us from our public life and that intolerant bias is uncool.

I know you don't go to Church that much anymore, but some of us who do would prefer that the church do its thing and the government do its thing and that each not mess with each other.

Penske_Account

07-01-2005 08:23 PM

Enough with the holier-than-thou stuff.

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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
I know you don't go to Church that much anymore, but some of us who do would prefer that the church do its thing and the government do its thing and that each not mess with each other.

I don't necessarily have a problem with that, but I fail to see how some obviously not establishmentary (is that a word?) displays of religious symbols do that. And the road the godless liberals have taken us down attempts to tar each and every indicia of religion with the broadbrush of establishment. Uncool.

Tyrone Slothrop

07-01-2005 08:24 PM

Note to all of you

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Originally posted by Penske_Account
Ty, what's on your menu?

A fine question. I'm not sure, but I'm thinking about opening a Taurino 2000 Salice Salentino.

Penske_Account

07-01-2005 08:27 PM

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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
A fine question. I'm not sure, but I'm thinking about opening a Taurino 2000 Salice Salentino.

An Italian wine on 4th of July weekend. Sheesh, why Ty why?!?! Save me a glass.

Tyrone Slothrop

07-01-2005 08:27 PM

Enough with the holier-than-thou stuff.

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Originally posted by Penske_Account
I don't necessarily have a problem with that, but I fail to see how some obviously not establishmentary (is that a word?) displays of religious symbols do that. And the road the godless liberals have taken us down attempts to tar each and every indicia of religion with the broadbrush of establishment. Uncool.

When judges start putting the Ten Commandments in their courtrooms, and they are not making an academic observation about the importance of some of those commandments in the development of our legal tradition, it smells like using a government office and taxpayer dollars to endorse a particular set of religious views. I don't care for that, and if I were Jewish I'd be particularly irked.

And I think it's a sign of weakness of some level that some people are working so hard to get their religious views some sort of governmental imprimatur instead of worrying whether they are otherwise leading Christian lives.

Hank Chinaski

07-01-2005 08:37 PM

Enough with the holier-than-thou stuff.

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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
When judges start putting the Ten Commandments in their courtrooms, and they are not making an academic observation about the importance of some of those commandments in the development of our legal tradition, it smells like using a government office and taxpayer dollars to endorse a particular set of religious views. I don't care for that, and if I were Jewish I'd be particularly irked.

And I think it's a sign of weakness of some level that some people are working so hard to get their religious views some sort of governmental imprimatur instead of worrying whether they are otherwise leading Christian lives.

Ummm. Dim. the 10 commandments are old testament.

Hank Chinaski

07-01-2005 08:38 PM

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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
A fine question. I'm not sure, but I'm thinking about opening a Taurino 2000 Salice Salentino.

If we had hooked up last weekend you would have opened a French just to fuck with me, no?

Hank Chinaski

07-01-2005 08:39 PM

Lincoln versus Bush

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Originally posted by Pin the Tale on the Donkey
"I cannot swallow whole the view of Lincoln as the Great Emancipator... As a law professor and civil rights lawyer and as an African-American, I am fully aware of his limited views on race. Anyone who actually reads the Emancipation Proclamation knows it was more a military document than a clarion call for justice."

-- Senator Barack Obama

Some of why my wife and I conceived had to do with a desire to orgasm, but I'm still the Dad.

SlaveNoMore

07-01-2005 08:40 PM

Enough with the holier-than-thou stuff.

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y Tyrone Slothrop
When judges start putting the Ten Commandments in their courtrooms, and they are not making an academic observation about the importance of some of those commandments in the development of our legal tradition, it smells like using a government office and taxpayer dollars to endorse a particular set of religious views. I don't care for that, and if I were Jewish I'd be particularly irked.

Last I recall, in both the Old Testament and the Torah*, Moses brought went up Mount Sinai, where Yahweh (G-D) gave him the Ten Commandments, which were written on 2 tablets of stone.

And he brought them down to his people, the Jewish people.

Now, unless you are a follower of Baal, the Golden Calf, or both - I'm, missing your point entirely.

* Atticus, when you show up in 17 hours, please feel free to confirm or deny, or both.

Penske_Account

07-01-2005 08:42 PM

Lincoln versus Bush

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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Some of why my wife and I conceived had to do with a desire to orgasm, but I'm still the Dad.

Paternity test?

Sidd Finch

07-01-2005 08:47 PM

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No, I doubt that's the point. Slave can be a wackadoo, but he's not that bad a wackadoo.

Sidd Finch

07-01-2005 08:48 PM

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Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
No. I was distinguishing "church-going christians" - who may or may not be liberal - from these CINOs (Christians in Name Only) who love to proclaim that they are lapsed Catholics or Methodists or whatever, but they don't go to church, don't beleive in God, think Christianity is a joke, etc. And notwithstanding the history of this country (and the actual history behind the First Amendment), get your god out of here.

Oh, and please don't kick the Koran, it's a "sacred" book.

It's funny. Because I see Christianity as a big punching bag, which anyone and everyone is able to pummel with critical aplomb .

However, Allah forbid anyone speak poorly publicly about any of the other "mainstream" or non-mainstream religions. The PC police will have you hanged from a Wiccan May Pole.

Um, Slave? The world isn't Berkeley. Hell Berkeley isn't even Berkeley.

Tyrone Slothrop

07-01-2005 08:50 PM

Enough with the holier-than-thou stuff.

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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Ummm. Dim. the 10 commandments are old testament.

Tell me your wife wants to find herself in a courtroom in Kentucky with the ten commandments on the wall.

Sidd Finch

07-01-2005 08:50 PM

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Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Explain to me, then - and notwithstanding the Kennedy concurrence - how, according to you, the mere "display" of the Ten Commandments violates the Establishment Clause and disrespects the "religious views of a whole lot of people"?

Last I checked, "disrespect" isn't the concern addressed in the Constitution. And I haven't seen a recent draft of HR 542 "Establishment of the Christian Church of America".

Feel free to do this on your blog - if you prefer.

If I walked into Court and there was a big banner behind the judge's head that said "There is no God but Allah," I'd be a little nervous. Could be just me.

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