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Adder 04-25-2013 05:37 PM

Re: Towards A Virtual Williamsburg!
 
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Originally Posted by Atticus Grinch (Post 478818)
That line down the exact center of the key is too thin and too straight to be valid. My guess is that however the data was entered (by sensor or by data entry by a human) there was a tendency to report a shot from that centerline (i.e. X-axis value of precisely zero) as opposed to slightly from the left or right. Only Imperial Stormtroopers are so precise.

Was thinking the same thing, but appreciate the Star Wars reference.

Flinty_McFlint 04-25-2013 06:20 PM

Re: Towards A Virtual Williamsburg!
 
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Originally Posted by Atticus Grinch (Post 478818)
That line down the exact center of the key is too thin and too straight to be valid. My guess is that however the data was entered (by sensor or by data entry by a human) there was a tendency to report a shot from that centerline (i.e. X-axis value of precisely zero) as opposed to slightly from the left or right. Only Imperial Stormtroopers are so precise.

Yeah, or it could be the cumulative effect of the shots made by free throw shooters getting their own rebound off a missed free throw.

Atticus Grinch 04-25-2013 06:42 PM

Re: Towards A Virtual Williamsburg!
 
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Originally Posted by Flinty_McFlint (Post 478820)
Yeah, or it could be the cumulative effect of the shots made by free throw shooters getting their own rebound off a missed free throw.

Bzzt! The artifact can be seen all the way past the 3-point line -- how many free throw shooters run backward that far? I still think the best explanation is that some shots made from near the centerline are being marked as exactly on the centerline, due to some kind of perceptual bias by the observers.

But it's not terribly important.

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ThurgreedMarshall 04-25-2013 06:57 PM

Re: Towards A Virtual Williamsburg!
 
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Originally Posted by Atticus Grinch (Post 478821)
Bzzt! The artifact can be seen all the way past the 3-point line -- how many free throw shooters run backward that far? I still think the best explanation is that some shots made from near the centerline are being marked as exactly on the centerline, due to some kind of perceptual bias by the observers.

But it's not terribly important.

I think that the human eye prefer symmetry, especially when it comes to something like depth perception and lining up one's shot. I bet you'd be surprised how often people shoot from the exact center of the rim.

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ltl/fb 04-25-2013 08:03 PM

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Hank Chinaski 04-25-2013 10:37 PM

Re: Towards A Virtual Williamsburg!
 
so did Te'o slip because of size, or apparent stupidness?

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 04-26-2013 11:28 AM

Re: Towards A Virtual Williamsburg!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Atticus Grinch (Post 478818)
That line down the exact center of the key is too thin and too straight to be valid. My guess is that however the data was entered (by sensor or by data entry by a human) there was a tendency to report a shot from that centerline (i.e. X-axis value of precisely zero) as opposed to slightly from the left or right. Only Imperial Stormtroopers are so precise.

The bias seems to apply only to made shots, not misses, as the line seems particularly red. Explain, Obi-Wan. And it's not because sand people walk in single file.

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 04-26-2013 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 478829)
so did Te'o slip because of size, or apparent stupidness?

Because Alabama hung 28 points on his defense in the first half.

Hank Chinaski 04-26-2013 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) (Post 478831)
Because Alabama hung 28 points on his defense in the first half.

by that logic only SEC defensive players would get drafted; Alabama would have killed any non-SEC team.

Hank Chinaski 04-26-2013 11:48 AM

Re: Towards A Virtual Williamsburg!
 
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Originally Posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) (Post 478830)
The bias seems to apply only to made shots, not misses, as the line seems particularly red. Explain, Obi-Wan. And it's not because sand people walk in single file.

plus when you scale the graph up to size "the line" might be a few feet thick.

Did you just call me Coltrane? 04-26-2013 12:32 PM

Re: Towards A Virtual Williamsburg!
 
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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 478829)
so did Te'o slip because of size, or apparent stupidness?

Speed, probably. I actually think he'll be a fine LB. He won't be a superstar, but he'll be pretty good. Lance Briggs (who is almost the exact same size as Teo) only ran a 4.75 40 and he is a near-elite LB.

Atticus Grinch 04-26-2013 01:31 PM

Re: Towards A Virtual Williamsburg!
 
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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 478833)
plus when you scale the graph up to size "the line" might be a few feet thick.

Despite not caring, I zoomed in and counted 36 sample points in the diameter of the key circle. (Feel free to disagree.) In the NBA that circle has a radius of 6' (r=72"; d=144"). Each sample point is therefore roughly four inches wide.

Atticus Grinch 04-26-2013 02:00 PM

Re: Towards A Virtual Williamsburg!
 
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Originally Posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) (Post 478830)
The bias seems to apply only to made shots, not misses, as the line seems particularly red. Explain, Obi-Wan. And it's not because sand people walk in single file.

If the observations are being logged by people (rather than by sensors), perhaps made shots are disproportionally perceived to be from the center of the court because the ball drops straight. A missed FG bounces off the rim and any angle of the rebound will subtly cue the observer to record the the shot was taken from a slight angle.

Bazinga!

Hank Chinaski 04-26-2013 02:26 PM

Re: Towards A Virtual Williamsburg!
 
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Originally Posted by Atticus Grinch (Post 478837)
If the observations are being logged by people (rather than by sensors), perhaps made shots are disproportionally perceived to be from the center of the court because the ball drops straight. A missed FG bounces off the rim and any angle of the rebound will subtly cue the observer to record the the shot was taken from a slight angle.

Bazinga!

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