Oops
 

And that cloying, elitist, arrogant claptrap is why:

THE DEMOCRATS DID NOT REGAIN THE HOUSE

THE DEMOCRATS DID NOT REGAIN THE SENATE

HILLARY CLINTON LOST THE MOST EMBARRASSING DEFEAT IN PRESIDENTIAL POLITICS

But Ty gotta be Ty, Keep going!!!!

My 2 day pop-in is over. See ya'll later.

SlaveNo(CiaoForNow)More

Re: Shameful Lefty Hand Ringing....
 

[QUOTE=SlaveNoMore;503631]Asking if I'd let some slight stand.

Fucks given? See Bluto's GPA as stated by Dean Wormer in Animal House.

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 

Actually, I do. You're unspooled here.

Re: Oops
 

Don't sell your holdings, Slave. Everything's coming up roses. Just don't buy AMZN - they're worried there.

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 

As Winston Churchill said, in the morning I'll be sober, and you'll still be ugly.

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 

I suspected the last few of your posts were brought to us by the good monks at Chimay. Had a certain looseness to them.

There's not much point beating this dead horse any further. We'll never agree why HRC lost. But for all the same reasons we'd have mocked the Trumpkins for complaining the election was rigged had they lost, we could mock the HRC supporters for spraying blame in all directions but inward.

This thing happened. It isn't going away, and the broader movement behind it is much bigger than a mere election. And that's not going away any time soon.

You, me, almost all of us here... We've enjoyed the benefits of a system that has left a shitload of people in the dust. We thought we could ignore them, or dismiss them with statements like, "well, there are winners and losers in trade..." We thought we could write them off with statements like, "technology ultimately creates more jobs than it eliminates," while coyly ignoring the speed with which it does the latter and the glacial timeline over which it does the former. We've bought into silly Kennedy Era notions like "education will fix it all."

Trump grabbed in excess of 25% of the Latino vote. He stole a huge chunk of the union vote. He won 42% of women.

If you want to look for the true fault lines, and not buy into the "it's mostly racism and sexism" bullshit sold to "the marks" (your term), look at people with assets versus people without. That's where I think the significant split lies. Also look at who's in business for themselves, and who's in small business versus working as a cog in a big business.

The people without assets had nothing to lose voting for Trump. Hillary was bringing more of what Obama and Bush had brought them -- a managed decline, rather than hope of a real job. The people with assets, with capital - people like us - had something to lose. We benefit more from globalism and tech, which delivers to investors at cost to domestic labor. The people who are in business for themselves, who feel acutely and directly the impact of an ever more intrusive state, in the form of licensing strictures and regulation, and compliance bullshit, had much to gain with Trump. The people in jobs at large concerns - the kind of people here - have never felt the direct hand of regulation and compliance concerns on their backs. (They may deal with it, but they don't suffer a hit to the bottom line because of it.)

Who here but Hank actually has to make a payroll every week? I'm not sure any of us are really qualified to explain this phenomenon. But to start flinging blame around without serious looking inward, at your own side's failings - and I mean your side's often limited and tribalist thinking, not the failings of HRC as a candidate - is useless sour grapes. The thing is done. Blame is useless. Try to make the best of it.

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 

Yup.

That stench is bad today, but after a few years of not washing....

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 

Yes, somehow we have to try to limit the damage our generation and our parents' generation does and hold the fort for the youngsters. We don't get to leave them a better world, we hope they'll improve ours. As others have said, I so hope the nuclear codes have more than 140 characters.

I'm tired. It's not just the fatigue from my medical stuff, it's also too much time listening to loud obnoxious white guys. God how I hate listening to all the loud obnoxious white guys. I'm so fucking tired.

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 

?? Did I miss your move to Wyoming?

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 

That you still see that from him is amazing. The man will start a war in the temper tantrum some time in the next four years.

If he can get that out of a GOP congress, it would be a silver lining.

He can, but he can surprise on the downside too.

ETA: What's terrifying is if he actually does what he said he will do. A lot of it I don't think he will actually try to do or be able to get congress to go along with. So, the truly terrifying is hopefully not what's going to happen, but plenty of women and brown people are going to get to enjoy a re-invogorated crudeness at best and potentially much worse.

What's just scary is how much free rein he will give the GOP congress to do all the crap they've said they want to do for six years. For some reason, you Sebby, never seem to mention this.

Re: Good news, Sebby
 

Except we have been significantly decreasing fossil fuels - particularly coal in electricity generation - and the solar and wind technology is very close to winning that competition outright. We should be killing coal, not reviving it.

Why do you think she'd part with Obama on this?

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 

No he didn't. People who should have voted Dems stayed home. That's the story. That had nothing to do with him. He got fewer votes than Romney (or roughly the same, whatever).

Some of it's on Hillary for seemingly coasting on "Trump is so terrible" after the debates.

Some of it's on voters who failed to appreciate the stakes and/or were overconfident in the outcome (eh-hem).

Some of it's on voter suppression.

Some of it's on the party for nominating a candidate who couldn't inspire anyone.

Some of it's on the media for treating the outrageous things Trump said as normal and pretending that the emails were in some way equivalent.

Some of it's on misogyny.

ETA: The debate for the Dems right now is whether to go with your story: white working class voters need their economic anxiety addressed.

Personally, I think that as long as bigotry appeals to WWC voters, there's nothing the Dems can do appeal to them. We've got to turn everyone else instead.

Technocratic policy proposals are simply not an effective response to "I'll get rid of the illegals who are stealing your jobs" and "I'm going to end trade."

Meanwhile the Bernie-left would like the Dems to be more anti trade. Problem is, they are empirically wrong about trade.

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 

Sure, as long as you ignore the available data.

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 

Some individual data points:

The first thing my daughter, a budding young engineering student, did after the election was pull her application to the DOD's SMART program.

One of our best friends is trying to qualify their son, at West Point now, for a buyout of their post-graduation service time.

My sister is trying to get her husband to retire from the service (he is a Captain with 20 years in). He's probably going to retire, even though he's on track for Admiral in the next couple of years.

The people I know who worry about war worry about Trump. And many people willing to fight our wars will not want to fight Trump's wars.

But maybe there's a ton of half-wits from Sebby's neck of the wood eager to learn how to program some advanced weaponry in the name of killing people different than them. Or maybe we can get some of the heavily armored police from Ferguson to go someplace where someone will shoot back.

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 

Ah. My fault. Worst in that he was looked to by so many as someone who could provide accurate predictions. And now he's just like everyone else (even if he outperformed many, he was still way off). And that means way fewer clicks, which is sure to put a huge dent in his business.

TM