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Adder 06-28-2012 11:28 AM

Re: Pepper sprayed for public safety.
 
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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 470046)
here is what you posted, annotated.
  • Hypotheses for origin

    There are various mechanisms by which multicellularity could have evolved.
    One hypothesis is that a group of function-specific cells aggregated into a slug-like mass called a grex, which moved as a multicellular unit. This is essentially what slime molds do. Another hypothesis is that a primitive cell underwent nucleus division, thereby becoming a syncytium. A membrane would then form around each nucleus (and the cellular space and organelles occupied in the space), thereby resulting in a group of connected cells in one organism (this mechanism is observable in Drosophila). A third hypothesis is that, as a unicellular organism divided, the daughter cells failed to separate, resulting in a conglomeration of identical cells in one organism, which could later develop specialized tissues. This is what plant and animal embryos do as well as colonial choanoflagellates.[3][4]
    Because the first multicellular organisms were simple, soft organisms lacking bone, shell or other hard body parts, they are not well preserved in the fossil record.[5] One exception may be the demosponge, which may have left a chemical signature in ancient rocks. The earliest fossils of multicellular organisms include the contested Grypania spiralis and the fossils of the black shales of the Palaeoproterozoic Francevillian Group Fossil B Formation in Gabon.[6]
    Until recently phylogenetic reconstruction has been through anatomical (particularly embryological) similarities. This is inexact, as living multicellular organisms such as animals and plants are more than 500 million years removed from their single-cell ancestors. Such a passage of time allows both divergent and convergent evolution time to mimic similarities and accumulate differences between groups of modern and extinct ancestral species. Modern phylogenetics uses sophisticated techniques such as alloenzymes, satellite DNA and other molecular markers to describe traits that are shared between distantly related lineages.
    The evolution of multicellularity could have occurred in three ways, and of which the latter,
Your brain buzzed through all this, forgot you were looking at wiki, and accepted the fact that the author only now started using the word "theory," but the fact that I say my mutt dog is a pure bred doesn't change his ancestry. you dumb fuck.
  • the colonial theory, is most credited by the scientific community:
    [edit]The Symbiotic Theory
    This theory suggests that the first multicellular organisms occurred from symbiosis (cooperation) of different species of single-cell organisms, each with different roles. Over time these organisms would become so dependent on each other they would not be able to survive independently, eventually leading to the incorporation into one multicellular organism of their genome.[7] Each respective organism would become a separate lineage of differentiated cells within the newly created species.
    This kind of severely co-dependent symbiosis can be seen frequently, such as in the relationship between clown fish and Riterri sea anemones. In these cases, it is extremely doubtful whether either species would survive very long if the other became extinct. However, the problem with this theory is that it is still not known how each organism's DNA could be incorporated into one single genome to constitute them as a single species. Although such symbiosis is theorized to have occurred (e.g., mitochondria and chloroplasts in animal and plant cells – endosymbiosis), it has happened only extremely rarely and, even then, the genomes of the endosymbionts have retained an element of distinction, separately replicating their DNA during mitosis of the host species. For instance, the two or three symbiotic organisms forming the composite lichen, while dependent on each other for survival, have to separately reproduce and then re-form to create one individual organism once more.
That "however" makes it not a theory, in fact, unless someone can answer the questions, it cannot become a theory, listen closely now, EVEN IS SOMEONE SAYS IT IS ON WIKI. RULE 2 IF SOMETHING IS CALLED A THEORY WITHIN A FEW PARAGRAPHS OF BEING CALLED A HYPOTHESIS, WHAT YOU GOT THERE IS A HYPOTHESIS. In this case, currently a failed one.
  • [edit]The Cellularization (Syncytial) Theory
    This theory states that a single unicellular organism could have developed internal membrane partitions around each of its nuclei[8] Many protists such as the ciliates or slime molds can have several nuclei, lending support to this hypothesis.
wait, this seems promising!!!
  • However, simple presence of multiple nuclei is not enough to support the theory. Multiple nuclei of ciliates are dissimilar and have clear differentiated functions: The macronucleus serves the organism's needs, while the micronucleus is used for sexual-like reproduction with exchange of genetic material. Slime molds syncitia form from individual amoeboid cells, like syncitial tissues of some multicellular organisms, not the other way round.To be deemed valid, this theory needs a demonstrable example and mechanism of generation of a multicellular organism from a pre-existing syncytium.
drat. another "not theory," in fact, this isn't supported by anything.
  • [edit]The Colonial Theory
    The third explanation of multicellularisation is the Colonial Theory proposed by Haeckel in 1874. This theory claims that the symbiosis of many organisms of the same species (unlike the symbiotic theory, which suggests the symbiosis of different species) led to a multicellular organism. At least some, it is presumed land-evolved, multicellularity occurs by cells separating and then rejoining (e.g., cellular slime molds) whereas for the majority of multicellular types (those that evolved within aquatic environments), multicellularity occurs as a consequence of cells failing to separate following division.[9] The mechanism of this latter colony formation can be as simple as incomplete cytokinesis, though multicellularity is also typically considered to involve cellular differentiation.[10]
    The advantage of the Colonial Theory hypothesis is that it has been seen to occur independently in 16 different protoctistan phyla. For instance, during food shortages the amoeba Dictyostelium groups together in a colony that moves as one to a new location. Some of these amoeba then slightly differentiate from each other. Other examples of colonial organisation in protista are Volvocaceae, such as Eudorina and Volvox, the latter of which consists of up to 500–50,000 cells (depending on the species), only a fraction of which reproduce.[11] For example, in one species 25–35 cells reproduce, 8 asexually and around 15–25 sexually.
OK! Adder might have a point!!!
  • However, it can often be hard to separate colonial protists from true multicellular organisms, as the two concepts are not distinct; colonial protists have been dubbed "pluricellular" rather than "multicellular".[12] This problem plagues most hypotheses of how multicellularisation could have occurred.
not really sure what this means, but there a shitload too many "howevers" for this to be a theory.

EDIT- I will start deleting your every post until you disprove thurgreed's theory that your mom and dad are too closely related. or admit to it, I suppose.

You're stenuously arguing over word choice in a wikipedia entry.

Even granting that your initial garbled statement implied careful parsing of scientific terms (about which I'm highly skeptical), this is a pretty ridiculous position to find yourself in.

Step. Away. From. The. Keyboard.

Hank Chinaski 06-28-2012 11:36 AM

Re: Pepper sprayed for public safety.
 
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Originally Posted by Adder (Post 470078)
You're stenuously arguing over word choice in a wikipedia entry.

Even granting that your initial garbled statement implied careful parsing of scientific terms (about which I'm highly skeptical), this is a pretty ridiculous position to find yourself in.

Step. Away. From. The. Keyboard.

Wasn't the argument about which of the terms is correct?

Hank Chinaski 06-28-2012 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 470067)
Congratulations: you were right on the ACA decision all along.

I have never posted a substantive argument about con law in my life. I didn't read those when I was in law school.

Adder 06-28-2012 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 470080)
I have never posted a substantive argument about con law in my life. I didn't read those when I was in law school.

So all the time you said, "it's unconstitutional" those were not substantive arguments? Just your expectation that 5 members of the court would recognize and act on their political interests?

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 06-28-2012 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 470080)
I have never posted a substantive argument in my life.

True. Score this one.

For the future, I offer you a quote from Les' friend, Rand Paul, on the ACA: “Just because a couple people on the Supreme Court declare something to be ‘constitutional’ does not make it so. The whole thing remains unconstitutional." I suggest this mantra replace your prior judicial vote count.

Hank Chinaski 06-28-2012 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Adder (Post 470082)
So all the time you said, "it's unconstitutional" those were not substantive arguments? Just your expectation that 5 members of the court would recognize and act on their political interests?

I believe the bases for my hypothesis were the decisions that found it unconstituitional.

Hank Chinaski 06-28-2012 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 470083)
True. Score this one.

For the future, I offer you a quote from Les' friend, Rand Paul, on the ACA: “Just because a couple people on the Supreme Court declare something to be ‘constitutional’ does not make it so. The whole thing remains unconstitutional." I suggest this mantra replace your prior judicial vote count.

I wasn't against most of it, so no need for a mantra. The interesting/scary thing is what happens now. I could see the tea party really growing and getting nuttier. There is now a new tax on not buying insurance?

Tyrone Slothrop 06-28-2012 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 470048)
That wasn't my implication. Mine was that both a private housing bubble and govt overspending were to blame. Joining a common currency complicated things, of course, the was it does for every other European debtor nation, who now cannot simply monetize themselves out of the debt overhang. But that's not the cause.

Why do you think Spain was overspending? Greece, sure, but Spain and Italy looked like they were in good shape.

Here's what Martin Wolf said:

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One answer is that they should have tightened fiscal policy, since they could do nothing about the monetary policy of the eurozone, which was wildly unsuitable for their economy, prior to the crisis (far too loose then and far too tight now). Maybe so, but Spain’s fiscal performance looked pretty good…. In 2008, the IMF, among the world’s most independent and respected official institutions, thought that Spain had run a substantial structural – or cyclically-adjusted – fiscal surplus in 2004, 2005, 2006 and 2007.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 06-28-2012 02:12 PM

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http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/...me-blog480.jpg

Adder 06-28-2012 02:16 PM

Reading notes - Roberts opinion
 
I found Sec. II interesting, in which the court says it's not a tax for purposes of the Anti-Injunction Act, because Congress said it was a penalty and not a tax, and Congress gets to decide what's a tax for AIA purposes.

In III.A., Roberts buys the inactivity argument in it's entirely. Hard to tell who else is with him, but it's not a majority (as that part isn't "the opinion of the court"), which is interesting.

I don't see how Roberts squares his commerce view with Raich's reach to simple possession, except to not the he disingenuously cites the "activity" involved as "growing marijuana" on page 26. I've yet to see anyone articulate a test for "activity" that puts self-insurance on one side and possession on the other (without relyign on assumptions about how the possession came to be that were not at issue in the case).

Robert's beginning of III.B., starting with a discussion of two different readings of the same words is odd, as that's not really what's happening here. It's the same thing, just analyzed under different powers. So it's not really a question of whether a bicycle is a vehicle, but rather vehicles can be banned from the park because they damage paths and also because they endanger pedestrians.

Adder 06-28-2012 02:19 PM

Re: Pepper sprayed for public safety.
 
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 470091)
Why do you think Spain was overspending? Greece, sure, but Spain and Italy looked like they were in good shape.

Because (1) he thinks everyone in the developed world is/was overspending, because he thinks all of their economies are doomed, and (2) he thinks the economy against which you're comparing Spain's spending was inflated by an unsustainable bubble.

Nevermind that Spain was running significant surpluses, Italy significant primary surpluses and Ireland was running balanced budgets.

None of that matters to Sebby, because he knows the truth and the "facts" that those government were relying upon were not it.

Hank Chinaski 06-28-2012 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 470097)

Do people lose jobs over something like that?

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 06-28-2012 02:46 PM

Re: Pepper sprayed for public safety.
 
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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 470100)
Do people lose jobs over something like that?

I'm betting someone pretty senior goes at CNN, and that everybody at Fox just cheers for those marvelous few minutes when they thought the US remained a free country.

taxwonk 06-28-2012 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 470100)
Do people lose jobs over something like that?

Tom Dewey did. Well, not really, since he never had it in the first place.

Adder 06-28-2012 03:02 PM

Having given it a few hours
 
Which factor wins out politically? Obama for having been proven right, or conservative anger over health care?


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