Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 503684)

[Y]ou don't give a fuck about minorities' rights or that you don't give a fuck about anything.

Originally Posted by taxwonk (Post 503696)

Bernie wouldn't have won. But I'm beginning to wonder if we deserved to. Everywhere I looked on the news last night and this morning, I saw the kind of behavior that had me scared as hell of Trump winning. Riots in thee streets. I wanted to puke. Liberals turning into the kind of lawless yahoos that swept Trump to victory. If Trump's real campaign slogan was "Making America White Again" (and it was), the Democrats' reaction is Resurrect the Weather Underground.

Every single person in America of voting age is guilty of putting us into the shit show we now find ourselves in. Democrats are burning and looting like the rule of law, something we were so fucking sanctimonious about, means nothing. Republicans who one by one tried to distance themselves from President Pussygrab are sniffing at his tail like eager puppies.

We have four years of deconstructing America to dread because neither party could manage to get enough people interested enough to put up a candidate who was both electable and not psychotic. So instead, we got Hillary, who most people in America just plain [I]didn't trust[I] and the poster child for bad behavior by someone with the mentality of a schoolyard bully.

Yes, Hillary had some good policies, plans, and experience. But most of America neither liked nor trusted her. And yes, Trump is a racist, sexist, ball of unchecked white privilege. But he gave all the people who used to have to hide in country clubs and dive bars permission to spew their hate in the streets.

After seeing Democrats stopping traffic in LA and Chicago and burning and looting in New York and New Orleans, it's clear that we really aren't all that much better than them.

Note that I'm not accusing anybody on this board of behaving like animals. I'm just observing that we are lying with the same dogs as the Republicans and we have apparently picked up the same fleas.

Stevenson was right. In a democracy, people pretty much get the government they deserve. Maybe instead of pissing and moaning, or thinking we're any better than anyone else, all of us can actually step it up, put what we stand for in our day, every day, and demand politicians do the same, or run them off before they get on the ballot in the first place.

I blame myself.

Originally Posted by Not Bob (Post 503569)

Upon reflection, having previously read the book, I should have realized that it was a Not Great idea. I mean, the whole premise of TTSS is that there's a high-level mole working for the Russians against his country to subvert freedom and democracy and all. I blame the second Manhattan for my mistake.

It's a very good movie, though. Gary Oldman was amazing as George Smiley.

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 503689)

Now read this: http://www.economist.com/news/united...inee-trump-and

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 503685)

Look, many of us have moved. But a lot of the people I know who stuck around the dead-end all white town I grew up in had good reasons to stay - a sick parent or sibling, a family business or farm, etc.

Originally Posted by Adder (Post 503658)

That was better than I thought it would be at the outset, but I have to express frustration with "go to a town that no longer has a reason to exist and see how bad it is."

Originally Posted by taxwonk (Post 503696)

Bernie wouldn't have won. But I'm beginning to wonder if we deserved to. Everywhere I looked on the news last night and this morning, I saw the kind of behavior that had me scared as hell of Trump winning. Riots in thee streets. I wanted to puke. Liberals turning into the kind of lawless yahoos that swept Trump to victory. If Trump's real campaign slogan was "Making America White Again" (and it was), the Democrats' reaction is Resurrect the Weather Underground.

Every single person in America of voting age is guilty of putting us into the shit show we now find ourselves in. Democrats are burning and looting like the rule of law, something we were so fucking sanctimonious about, means nothing. Republicans who one by one tried to distance themselves from President Pussygrab are sniffing at his tail like eager puppies.

We have four years of deconstructing America to dread because neither party could manage to get enough people interested enough to put up a candidate who was both electable and not psychotic. So instead, we got Hillary, who most people in America just plain [I]didn't trust[I] and the poster child for bad behavior by someone with the mentality of a schoolyard bully.

Yes, Hillary had some good policies, plans, and experience. But most of America neither liked nor trusted her. And yes, Trump is a racist, sexist, ball of unchecked white privilege. But he gave all the people who used to have to hide in country clubs and dive bars permission to spew their hate in the streets.

After seeing Democrats stopping traffic in LA and Chicago and burning and looting in New York and New Orleans, it's clear that we really aren't all that much better than them.

Note that I'm not accusing anybody on this board of behaving like animals. I'm just observing that we are lying with the same dogs as the Republicans and we have apparently picked up the same fleas.

Stevenson was right. In a democracy, people pretty much get the government they deserve. Maybe instead of pissing and moaning, or thinking we're any better than anyone else, all of us can actually step it up, put what we stand for in our day, every day, and demand politicians do the same, or run them off before they get on the ballot in the first place.

I blame myself.

Originally Posted by taxwonk (Post 503696)

Bernie wouldn't have won. But I'm beginning to wonder if we deserved to. Everywhere I looked on the news last night and this morning, I saw the kind of behavior that had me scared as hell of Trump winning. Riots in thee streets. I wanted to puke. Liberals turning into the kind of lawless yahoos that swept Trump to victory. If Trump's real campaign slogan was "Making America White Again" (and it was), the Democrats' reaction is Resurrect the Weather Underground.

Originally Posted by taxwonk (Post 503696)

After seeing Democrats stopping traffic in LA and Chicago and burning and looting in New York and New Orleans, it's clear that we really aren't all that much better than them.

Originally Posted by Adder (Post 503706)

Jesus fucking christ. A man whose rhetoric present an existential threat to all manner of oppressed people is now empowered to take action and your panties are in the bunch about a wee bit of protest? Come on, man.

Also, the Weather Underground (and many others) exploded a whole bunch of bombs. Exactly where have there been bombings this week??



Yes, property damage is just like rounding up all the brown people, stopping and frisking all of the black people and banning Muslim immigration.

ETA: Or painting swastikas on things. Or chanting "build the wall" at your Mexican classmates. Vandalizing a school bathroom with "Tump" and "N*ggers". Or telling the Mexican girl she has to sit in the back of the bus now.

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 503705)

I live in New York and have no idea what the fuck you're talking about. There was a march up Broadway and then Sixth Avenue. I work on Broadway. I have heard of absolutely no looting or rioting anywhere.

Originally Posted by Replaced_Texan (Post 503704)

Our ranch is near two of those towns. The only reason they still are on the map is because of the influx of Hispanics from Mexico (including our ranch manager and his family) about 30 years ago that came in and injected youth, money and labor and entrepreneurial growth in them. David, our ranch manager, has a side construction and hay making business. Manuel in one of those towns is building a THIRD restaurant that'll open in January. There are a lot more of those types of businesses. When I first started looking at the local paper when I was ten or so, the sports photos prominently displayed on the front page of the Giddings Times every week were full of white kids. Now they're white and brown.

These towns would be dead if it weren't for the influx of brown people with last names like mine.

My husband is there right now, and he went into town today to see how the pulse of small town Texas was. The hardware store was unremarkable. The grocery store was full of blacks and hispanics that had no real reaction at all. At Walmart, he overheard conversations about church.

Fayette County (where the ranch is)
Donald J. Trump / Mike PenceREP 8,648 78.16%
Hillary Clinton / Tim Kaine DEM 2,127 19.22%
Gary Johnson / William Weld LIB 209 1.88%
Jill Stein / Ajamu Baraka GRN 45

Lee County (closet town)
Donald J. Trump / Mike PenceREP 4,996 76.49%
Hillary Clinton / Tim Kaine DEM 1,372 21.00%
Gary Johnson / William Weld LIB 126 1.92%
Jill Stein / Ajamu Baraka GRN 28 0.42%

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 503705)

I live in New York and have no idea what the fuck you're talking about. There was a march up Broadway and then Sixth Avenue. I work on Broadway. I have heard of absolutely no looting or rioting anywhere.

TM

Originally Posted by Replaced_Texan (Post 503704)

These towns would be dead if it weren't for the influx of brown people with last names like mine.

Originally Posted by taxwonk (Post 503711)

I was going on the basis of CBS morning news. If they got it wrong, I stand corrected. But they had footage of NOLA.