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In the first month after the election analyses of the vote were showing that Bush got in the low 40% range of hispanic voters, up from the approx 35% he got in '00. I know there was some controversy (i.e. soreloserman style whining) about that 40plus% number.

Do you have more definitive analyses showing he got less than 35%. Cite please?

Further to your posit. McCain and Jeb. McCain's sort of catholic isn't he and Jed appeals to the hispanic population and the fundamentalists (if they forget about the murder of Terri Schiavo (RIP)). That is the winning ticket.

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I recall reading that the largest growth demographic in certain bible belt areas, like North Carolina, are hispanic catholics. I think it has something to do with migrant labor settling down. While northern catholic parishes are closing churches, they can't house them all on sundays in places like Durham. It would seem to me that they vote consistently with the baby jebus crowd down there on many of the hot button issues like abortion. There was historically less inclination to push for blurring the lines of church and state when catholics were a disenfrachised lot but I see much more appetite among the conservative bishops that multiplied under JPII to get involved in politics (e.g., no communion for kerry voters, or the more relaxed version - no communion for kerry) and push for things like vouchers and faith based initiatives.

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If you added the conservative southernors with the Republicans the margins where huge. Reagon used to have breakfast with the "Boll Weevil" Democrats from Congress every week, and I think with Senators and Congressman together their block was about 200. There are very few Boll Weevils left. They either switched partys or they got defeated.

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I'm not a papist, but I am against communion for Kerry also. Not just on abortion but also because he is married to a she-devil.

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Spanky
If you added the conservative southernors with the Republicans the margins where huge. Reagon used to have breakfast with the "Boll Weevil" Democrats from Congress every week, and I think with Senators and Congressman together their block was about 200. There are very few Boll Weevils left. They either switched partys QUOTE]


They got tired of associating with Southern dems like this guy:

http://www.moonbattery.com/archives/robert_byrd.jpg

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I don't have a cite. I may have been confusing the California hispanics with the national hispanics but I don't think so. I am on the executive board of the California Republican Party and I sit through a lot of these political briefings. I know this shows I have a sick mind, but I prefer this stuff to the policy meetings.

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I know I am right on the initial numbers (google confirms that). I also know that there was controversy. Zogby, for one, was adament that the number was wrong (flawed polling). I am just curious as to where it came out.

My references are national not California. I wrote California off years ago, no offence.

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Most true, but for a taste of her Ketchup cizash...
http://www.fivebuckstofriday.com/museum/hit/kirk.jpg

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I am not a Catholic (White Protestant Male that votes Republican - there is a surprise) so I find this stuff fascinating. Do you think a pro-death penalty Catholic politician should be able to get communion?

There were many policy positions that JP took that I did not like, but I think his lack of hypocracy made him a total stud boy - so to speak. I wish we had more religious leaders (especially on my side of the Christian aisle) with his strenght of character.

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At first i thought I would too, then I realized I wouldn't.

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I consider myself a pretty big fan of the original Star Trek (which, as I understand it, makes me a Trekker) but I have no idea what your post meant.

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That is funny because one of our briefings was from Zogby. But I don't specifically remember him talking about hispanics. Most of my fellow board members, being socially conservative protestants, generally plug their ears during these briefings.

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I don't recall anything coming out of the vatican regarding how you can vote or not based on single-issues. I think there is some hypocrisy from the bishops who took the single-issue communion policy, at least as it relates to vioters, but you can make an argument that the death penalty is permitted by Catholicism. JPII basically said he cannot envision a scenario in which it could be applied justly, but not that it isn't permitted under CAtholic teaching. IIRC one of the saints' (Augustine I think but I'm years out of CCD and flunked confirmation) just war theory has been interpretted to bless many things you wouldn't typically associate with Jesus or the Catholic faith.

JPII was rigid but for the most part a noble and great man. I will assume that his faculties had escaped him by the time he set Bernie the Pimp up in a posh pad in Venice, since Bernie and many of the catholic bishops deserve a lifetime of rear entry rape in prison followed by a single bullet to the cranium for what they did to so many children. Bernie and his ilk may as well have given viagra to and fluffed the abusers, their behavior was tantamount to that. To see any of them going around telling who can receive the holy sacrement based on single issue voting is a sickening thing. I would accept that position as just, but not from those bishops.

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I am not very religious. I was raised a catholic. None of the children that I support (subject to paterntiy tests) or whose paternity I acknowledge are baptised nor do those same children go to church. Ever. Not even on Christmas. Or Easter.

That said, I do respect the Catholic church for what it is. A doctrinaire organization. Its position on abortion is clear. Its position on the death penalty is clear. Its position on gay marriage is clear. The stated authority for its position on those subjects is clear. I don't necessarily agree with all of its positions but I acknowledge that in its eyes I need to strengthen my faith and lessen my sinfulness (not counting the hookers and booze) but I don't criticise its faithfulness to its doctrine. If Catholic dissenters don't like it, go find a protestant church that mirrors their beliefs. One exists. The Catholic church is not false advertising itself, either buy it or move on.

All that said, having nothing to do with Catholicism, in the last 5 years I flipped my formerly consistent but anti-Catholic death penalty/abortion positions to be consistent (sort of..almost) and in conformity with the pope. God bless. Amen.

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It means, I would make sweet, sweet love - down by the fire, bareback and with great gusto - to that shedevil Ketchup Kween Theresa Heinz Kerry for a taste of her bank account.