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wrt wonk we are actually only certain of one life choice that he made- to be a tax lawyer- so I think it's safe to say wonk's synapses don't always fire right when it comes to choices. maybe it's nature maybe it's nurture.

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I helped demo a bathroom when my uncle remodeled his rental duplex. It was old lathe & plaster so it was particularly fun tearing at it with the crowbar.

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Yes, the video. I've seen it before and she's wearing a bikini top. Not one with a lot of coverage mind you, but a top nonetheless.

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Well, fuck you very much.

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I wasn't posting my top ten or nine. I was just posting a few of the first women that came to mind. And I also wasn't talking beauty standards. It was strictly a "who would I fuck instead of that crazy bitch Angelina Jolie."

You will have noted by now that I was able to come up with a list of women with some color as quickly and easily as the first list.

I have never quarreled with you on the point that we all have some inherent racism in us. We do. But the truth is I do try hard to recognize it and shove it aside and you know that.

So I repeat, fuck you very much.

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i don't think there is that ability in video.

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Jesus Christ, Wonk. You're getting offended over nothing. I gave you some friendly shit for listing 9 women, all of whom were really white. I already said we all know you find women of color attractive as well.

My separate point about America's beauty standards isn't a point about what you believe to be true. I just thought it was interesting that the list of 9 women you came up with quickly, without really thinking about it, consisted of nothing but white women. It is only relevant in that one can see how beauty ideals are affected by the subconscious.

Get over it.

TM

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I've been watching Tivos of Modern Family and while the plot's great in every show, between the blond mom and Sophia, it's almost superfluous to male viewers. Who with a penis is even following what's being said?

Vergara's basically a living Barbie doll. It's almost like she got too many genes for attractiveness - that some should have been spread around elsewhere, to those in need.

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It's fun for about 30 minutes. But when you start lugging the trashbags that are 1/10 full but weigh 75 pounds, and you're covered in plaster dust and scratched all over by the lath, the fun quickly wears off.

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Cruz sucks. Her profile's horrible.

But I'm with you on the clear thing. Exhibit A: Nicole Kidman. She's the classic "English beauty," which is fine. But has there ever been a less sexy actress thrown into roles that would better have been fleshed out by a woman with actual sex appeal? If the movies need white chicks to sell to the audience's subconscious tastes for white standards of beauty, there are a million other translucent actresses I'd rather see getting naked for Stanley Kubrick.

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Can you offer some anecdotes using the word "lather"?

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maybe you just get turned off by women who were once Tom Cruise's beard?

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It's not actually photoshop itself, but there are plenty of programs out there that are designed to digitally alter video images.

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You can't photoshop video that flawlessly. Your eyes are screwed up from the glare of www.AllWhiteNudes.com.

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I can get past that. In fact, I can applaud it. In the pantheon of gold-digging/marriage-as-career-enhancement moves, she's the shrewdest by far. Because you know she didn't have to sleep with him, or probably even talk to the guy. No work, all upside.

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She's a real life Jessica Rabbit. A hot, spicy little number.

Chocolate babies?

http://www.radiosantafe.com/wp-conte...a-vergara2.jpg

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It's not photoshopped. It's also not Aniston. But that's a phenomenal body. Ridiculous.

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BTW, Halle is newly single.

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You think I haven't heard? Unfortunately, I was unable to negotiate a laminated list.

TM

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I hate NBC's internet policy. This is the best video I could get of that SNL skit: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xbb...-wad_lifestyle

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My first thought is that I like from butter pecan* to blackberry molasses......what does that say about my subconcious?


*in reality it would probably be "french vanilla", but that's doesn't jive with the beat, no?

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Good thing you are litigator. :(

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My work won't let me get into the linked gallery, but Jezebel pulled some of the gems. I always think of these sorts of movies when ya'll talk about women's gym showers and the like. Ladies of Grindhouse.

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I assumed that our discussions about these topics made the Fbetties think about raging boners.

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In fairness to Wonk, you said it wasn't about his personal preferences but then used those preferences to illustrate a point about "beauty standards" in the culture. I can understand why Wonk's defensive about it. Being told you're only baseline racist is cold comfort. And I'm very sure that white men's historical willingness to bang women of color has always served as a poor barometer of personal merit.

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What was the point of that post? To show that you are attracted to women of color, provided they are either skanky or starving?

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Just because a woman is wearing an undersized Beadazzled bustier doesn't mean . . . Wait, yes it does.

The woman on the right is lovely but agree she could use a sandwich.

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Dig a little deeper

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the one chick has an adam's apple....

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Of course. Because he was clearly lying when he produced his second list. He doesn't find those women attractive. He only drafted that list to appear less racist.

Seriously, why do white people have to have their hands held when it comes to this stuff? I am not calling Wonk racist. One's preferences (subconscious or not) are based on legitimate reasons, whether it be the forty whatever years he's been bombarded with white images of beauty, whether he grew up with white women and finds their skin and features to be more attractive based on that kind of personal exposure, whatever. Hell, black people have the same issues when it comes to Society's beauty standards.

The only point I'm making is that the collective effect of those preferences have real consequences for those who don't fit. And when I argue with Sebby about the acceptable black beauties (who have white features) or with Adder, who likes a girl with no ass,* I think it's interesting for them to have this example in the back of their mind. If you want to continue to focus on how unfair I'm being to Wonk (and I truly don't think I have been), go for it.

But what is amazing is what you seem to focus on. Did you even stop to think, "Hmmmm. It is kind of interesting that Wonk could list 9 pasty white women before thinking of a different color?" Or did you read the exchange and immediately start formulating an argument in defense of poor Wonk who is being unfairly accused of racism? Forget that it was anyone you know. Is there nothing substantive to be said about the choices in the list?

White men's desire to bang women of color isn't at issue. It's who white men conjure up in their head when you ask them who they'd like to bang that is the issue. It's the preference that we're talking about.

TM

*Yes, I realize Adder and I never actually argued about this.

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Or male?

TM

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And next, let's address your interest in chicks with dicks, shall we?

TM

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Holy shit, I just had a chilling thought. I happen to know from other sources that Wonk has a friend-of-a-friend connection to Jennifer Aniston. And we know from his Playboy interview that John Mayer, who also banged Jennifer Aniston, has a "David Duke cock." What if Wonk has not only met Aniston, but banged her? And what if Jennifer Aniston's vagina actually turns your cock racist? What if her hoo-hah exerts some kind of magic that's the opposite of "once you go black"? I really feel someone needs to warn Angelina Jolie about this, because with her especially vulnerable kids around, it would really matter a lot if Aniston's vagina makes your whole body racist, or just your pee-pee, which might turn out okay for those kids IYKWIM.

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That's not what pissed me off. It was your choice of Ariizona, the one state in the nation that refused to make Martin Luther King's birthday a holiday. The state that was recently in the news (and the reason it was the state you chose) for adopting racial profiling as an open and acceptable policy.

Think about it, dude. You might as well have called me Fuzzy Zoeller. That's what pissed me off.

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They prefer to be thought of as lovely women of color. The dick's just keeping the bitches down.

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Geez -- first you call Wonk racist because he likes pasty white women, and now you're calling him sexist?



NB: Just to be clear, the above is a joke. A bad one, but whatever. I understand perfectly well your statement that Wonk's first list reflected the effects of cultural beauty standards, which are generally white standards (especially if one is as deeply fucking old as Wonk). I didn't think you were accusing him of racism, or even of latent racism. To the contrary, if you thought he was racist then your point would lose it's strength -- because the point is that even people who are not racist have internalized those standards to an extent. Hell, even African-Americans have internalized those standards to an extent -- isn't that why Malcolm X felt it so necessary to tell black people that they were beautiful, that "your skin looks like gold compared to the white man's skin"?

I provide the above note in the interests of avoiding another trip to your ignore list....

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Sure wish you had taken the red pill, huh?

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Well I, erm, uh . . . Fuck it. Give the guy on the right a sandwich and I would hit that. And then I would make a Top 40 hit telling you all about it, with Gaga and Timbaland. I'm thinking of calling it "Beauty Standards."

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Come on, Wonkster! I was giving you shit using Arizona, which is a timely reference. I really don't believe that you think it was any more than that. But if I'm wrong, I'm sorry. Definitely not my intention. The few times that you've made jokes about black people (even one I think you might have pm-ed me about) have never gotten this kind of reaction out of me because I knew you were bullshitting me. That's where I thought we were.

TM