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Paigs,

You can duck and weave like Muhammed Ali when you want to. That last post was crafted tightly enough that I have to say I agree with it. We've been on the same page all along - "hot" is different than classically beautiful.

As to Bessette's background, I recall she was not a commoner, but actually came from an old family with a rather solid history in the area. And as to public schooling, where'd she go? Greenwich PS 101? I don't honestly know, so you can fill that one in for me. Bottom line... the Kennedy's don't marry proles, so whether she's monied or traces her lineage back the Mayflower, she's well bred. Failing that, she gives the appearance of impeccable breeding.

I'm neither elitist nor reformed. I'm just calling Bessette what most folks see her as - a symbol of what's perceived be good breeding. I can't put my finger on what exactly the defvining quality is that makes her appears so, but she's got it. And there's a certain person who thinks that's beautiful. Hell, I think its refreshing, since it usually means the person has manners. However, I don't think its "hot".

So we're in agreement,
SD

Annoying commercials
 

Although SNL's parody of the Sunday National Enquirer was pretty spot on funny.

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*sigh*. Why assume there is no correlation? Beautiful women marry rich men bc they can. Ergo (I have never said taht before, did I use it properly), the spawn of rich men often have beautiful mothers which increases the likelihood they might be beautiful

The only way this is wrong is if beautiful women marry rich and non rich in equal proportions or if beauty in a parent could not translate into the child.

And Catholic school does not count as prep school or as private school in the way SD meant it in terms of his "common private school" chicks.

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When we talked about Born Rich last week, did anybody remark on the fact that these kids were not very good looking? Only Cody Franchetti (the kid who berated his tailor over the buttonhole) could be described as very good looking. Ivanka was striking, but not fabulous looking -- just very, very polished.

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I think he meant that the elite upper class are more common (a/k/a boring, closed-minded, afraid of change) than the traditional commoners.

I agree. The upper crust bores me to death. It's like being at that wedding where the bride and groom entertain EVERYONE the entire evening w/out having an ounce of fun. Get out there and celebrate - it's YOUR wedding...

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Gag. I find this concept repugnant. WTF? Are we canines? Is this like a caste system? Gag. I thought America was all about what each individual could do, not what their daddy (or granddaddy or greatgranddaddy) did. This makes me TUIMMAWL.

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For you reality TV types, just had a Rocco Despirito sighting at the local Borders...

He was there signing some book he has out. No, I did not get one, and judging by the crowd or lack thereof, neither did many other people. Looks like they had plenty of books left.

I guess the fame achieved by being a royal A-Hole on TV is fleeting and not as lucrative as hoped.

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Yeh, well selling Joe Six Pack a fantasy notion of what its like to summer in Newport has made a little Jewish kid from the NYC named Lauren pretty fucking rich. Good for him... nice to see a smart street kid whipsaw a bunch of social climbers (and make really long lasting shirts in the process).

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Unlike Rocco Sifreddi, who has achieved lucrative fame by abusing non-royal A-Holes...

Is Carolyn Bessette hot?
 

I think she's attractive, but not in the kind of "can't take my eyes off her" sort of way.

I can't think of anyone famous about whom I think this -- but I know there are a few such gals. The only person I can think of is a friend of mine who is a stunner. She looks like a young Natalie Wood.

When I can think of celebrities I think are knock-outs, I'll get back to you. I know you will all be on pins and needles until then.

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Au contraire, my dear. You see, more attractive people generally have more money. This is true for a number of reasons. First, beauty is attracted to wealth and, over the generations, more and more attractive genes have gravitated toward the upper echelons of society. Second, simply being attractive is a character trait that, although not a prerequisite for becoming wealthy, certain helps the cause. Third, being wealthy allows one to take better care of oneself, so even those with somewhat inferior genes can acheive that soft, glowing finish. Finally, there is nothing more attractive than someone who carries themself well, and you cannot achieve this sort of breeding in the public schools. For all of these reasons, you will find there to be a striking difference in the attractiveness levels at Philips Academy and, say, North Andover High.

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SD

She went to Sacred Heart. Catholic school. Not elite. nothing remarkable about her background and it was widely reported that it was notable that JFK Jr went for a girl with an ordinary background and not something more high profile or elite or whatnot. Hell, she was lower than you on the food chain from what you post. But thanks for playing.

But you still dont knwo what we were even talking about. And the genesis of the topis was the posting of not brooke burks ridiculous picture which i was accused of being jealous of for pointiung out that Cltrains gf could look like bc apparently I found no women "good looking" or someother leap of logic he made. So i named some I thought were, and thats that.

From the language of your last post it is cclear you are getting to that point where you are taking to insults and attacks on the poster and not the post which is a sure sign that you are slipping far far away into SD Land. Kindly drop it. I dont want you multi board stalking me until I have cavorted myself satisfactorily ino your totally contradicotory world.

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Go to hell, Bitch.

Edited to add: See the young Onasis chick. Blech.

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Hey, that's my goal in life: to exploit dumb, social-climbing Americans. What do you think runs our economy? Efficiency? (yeah right); Superior products? (dear god no); our parasitical economy feeds off of itself, and we have these dumb social climbers to thank! God knows other countries aren't buying the shit we make!

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Not a fan of Lords Bendover and Rockingham?

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Was she a common commoner?
 

C'mon, everyone knows that the only really entertaining class is the middle. All the insecurity, all the paranoia, all the neuroses ....

Of course, if you actually want to have real straighforward fun, with people more interested in ... just about anything other than in impressing onlookers, you gotta go upper or lower. But for the psychological torture kind of fun, it's middle all the way. Vastly more interesting.

BR(middle class and amused by it)C

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At the risk of repeating myself, I must say au contraire my dear. It is the ability of the most worthy of our society to distinguish those with good breeding from those without that separates us from the animals. While your quaint notions of the everyman clawing his way to the top through sheer grit and determination show an amusing naivete, it is not how it works, nor is it how it should work. Some are born to handle wealth and the burdens and obligations that go with it. Others should go to public school.

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Which ironically, and to come full circle. is why the Bessette/Kennedy hit the rocks and why she got all Wild On with the coke and the exes if you are to believe the Natl Enquirer and her old best friend Slave. She was no Paris Hilton.

Annoying commercials
 

No - the worst is that I-love-this-woman one. It's like torture. I would confess to anything if I was bound to a chair and forced to watch that on endless loop.

The best ones are some of those Sprint commercials - like when she takes a picture of her friend's new boyfriend (the slob) and the one where he throws his phone at the little kid's stick house. Also, one that makes me laugh is when they are all in a car and one guy gets out to pee and they drive off on him and the Chariots of Fire music plays as he runs to catch the car. In fact, I'm laughing now (I'm a little humor-deprived)

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Yes, how typical. You point to one example of a wealthy heiress without physical beauty. I assume you can also find me a picture of some strikingly gorgeous peasant girl. As if your anecdotal example changes the ultimate and undeniable truth that wealth and beauty go hand in hand.

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Techs don't know, doctors don't know, midwives don't know, labor & delivery nurses don't know. Some can make more educated guesses than others, certainly; but they don't know for sure.

You'll see....

Annoying commercials
 

Is that the one where she gets some piece of jewelry and then gushes "I love this man!" God I hate that ad.

Who needs a hobby, like tennis or philately?
 

Well, dating meant sometimes doing things that someone else wanted to do and that is work -- being married means we do what I like. I also like not feeling like I have to entertain the other person all the time -- it is okay to just sit and say absolutely nothing with no questions asked.

I like not having to "fake it" with somebody. I don't have to "be on" all the time. When you date it seems like the slightest thing can cause the other person to want to know what's wrong -- being married means that someone just leaves you the hell alone because he knows to.

Being married I get all the good parts of dating, like sex and going where I want to go and do what I want to do, and none of the bad, like having to explain working hours to a beau or feeling like I have to hide certain character uniquities (hah! beat that scrabble score).

On CBK and private schools and all that -- I went public all the way through law school and I am hotter than she was :D. Having no pedigree has its benefits -- there is nothing to live up to and if you even remotely make it in the world you are the family hero. No expectations and failure is always an acceptable outcome. Besides, I never cottoned much to the Kennedys and would hate to feel like I had to marry one of them. She seemed sort of kinda cool though and the coke thing doesn't bother me (to each her own). If some people want to be uberskinny or have cosmetic surgery or do whatever, who am I to judge??

edited to add that the PLiFfy one is right, some of us belong in public school -- otherwise he would be celibate. Public school girls need loving too, and we try harder (but none of that assfucking crap, I went to a "good" public school).

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If that is true then how do you explain Lying...er....Living History??

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You just say these things because you are both rich and beautiful wheras I am plain and dressed in rags. However, you leave out the most important factor, which is, of course, TITS. I've got you schooled.

Was she a common commoner?
 

Which is why our low-brow entertainment projects our insecurity, paranoia and neuroses on the Upper Class. (Projecting it on the Lower Class would be patently unfair; they have enough to deal with as it is.)

Witness Sunday's "Arrested Development," which is guilty of (1) projecting middle class fascinations and foibles on the rich;* (2) mild underuse of David Cross; (3) scandalous underuse of Jeffrey Tambor; and (4) use of Portia Di Rossi (tying this back into the Carolyn Bessette discussion).

Portia Di Rossi is practically asexual, and has no comic timing. I wouldn't fuck her with Jamie Lee Curtis's penis.

*For example, a hyper-rich and jaded socialite would never say "Look at what the homosexuals have done to me" IRL. This is just the kind of thing the Middle Class thinks they would say.

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No.

Try "I've schooled you" or "you got schooled."

Even(though, you didn't)Odds

Is Carolyn Bessette hot?
 

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I think of her more as well-dressed. It can do a lot for a woman. For example, Kelly Klein, nee Rector.

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Agreed, Paris is a hott cokewhore.

Was she a common commoner?
 

Her girlfriend might object.

Was she a common commoner?
 

What does Portia De Rossi (that name makes me TTIMMALB) have to do with Bessette? She is a big raging DYKE.

That show sucked huh? Cross and Tambor- ihad high hopes.

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True dat. Poor chicks have better and bigger real TITS. And birthing hips.

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This whole schooling schtick is still making me think dressage. Maybe it's the proximity to the CBK horsey-faced discussion and the "what is upper-class" discussion.

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Ka-ching. Money is like coke to Americans. Most don't even remember why it was they started after a while, they just know they need more. We're going to go like Lowell George if we keep it up...

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Because I was serious.

Was she a common commoner?
 

WTF does her being a big raging dyle have to do with anything? This is kind of like saying "Portia Di Rossi is unlike Frank Sinatra because she was born in England!"

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Listen, ABBA, you seem like a nice girl with your own unique brand of rough-hewn charm and an engaging, if rather raw, conversational style. I just fail to understand your apparent hostility toward our society's elite.

Was she a common commoner?
 

I guess I missed the Sunday National Enquirer about PdR's sexual orientation. Huh. 'Splains the lack of chemistry, and makes the on-screen marriage to David Cross's character funnier.

Don't get me wrong --- you should check out Arrested Development. It had three laugh-out-loud moments, which is more than Andy Richter ever had. The fake documentary style doesn't really convince. It's just a single-camera sitcom, when the critics were saying it was Christopher Guest-worthy.

I'm just saying they should have more Tambor and Cross, and less Bateman and Di/De Rossi. Also, the is-he-or-isn't-he-retarded brother is a nice touch. Just the right amount.

$$ and breeding and looks
 

I think they were much better looking than the average for kids that age (20-25). Definitely not good looking compared to 20-25 year olds as usually depicted on TV by professionals, but, compared to my HS or college class? Waaaay better looking. The simple fact that 1/3 of them weren't obese speaks volumes. The ugliest was the Newhouse kid, and frankly (i) for a college freshman he wasn't that bad looking, and (ii) he was intelligent enough to be, in my opinion, the most "datable" of the bunch. Even the Weil kid, who was so obnoxious, was pretty cute. The woman who quit her job because she wanted to go do other things at 8:00 at night wasn't "turn you head" beautiful, but she was on about a CBK-level of good-looking.

I thought the girl who rode horses (was that Bloomberg?) was quite lovely.

BR(I don't really remember the names, so if I've screwed up sorry)C

Was she a common commoner?
 

My guess is that Atticus thinks that De Rossi and Bessette have similar features. Her sexual orientation didn't factor into the equation.

How exactly did you mean the word dyke?