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Oliver_Wendell_Ramone 06-16-2010 07:03 PM

Re: The thread where Spring has sprung, and Penske has risen from the law. Word!
 
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Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 426505)
I saw him play a few times live. A couple times in good seats and more times in not-too-bad seats. He was unbelievably quick. Put a quicker guy on him and he would just rise above him or post him up. And when he lost some of that quickness, he would just fade away. Since he still had lift before he retired the second time, he just couldn't be guarded.

I remember watching Jordan and Pippen in their primes. In one game against the Wolves, I watched them half-ass it on cruise control for 3 1/2 quarters. They were literally going 2/3s speed. They were down 10 with like 6 minutes to play and I was close enough to see Jordan give a look to Pippen that clearly meant, "Turn it on, now." And then they really started playing and just created havoc--forced turnovers, steals, offensive boards, 3 point plays. It was ridiculous. It was like playing against your little kid.

Kobe has some of Jordan's athletic talent and basketball skill, but he doesn't know when to abandon the fade away jump shot in favor of the drive (to get fouled or to dish). The guy shoots way too much, especially when he's missing. And I don't think he knows the game or his teammates well enough to ever be as good as Jordan.

If the two of them had faced each other in the finals, in the deciding game, Kobe would score 36 on 10 of 30 shooting and Jordan would drop 45 on his head on 15 of 28 shooting to win the game.

TM

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Our idiot loudmouth (but award winning!) local columnist just posted a new column calling Kobe the second best ever ("And apologies to Magic Johnson, Larry Bird, Bill Russell and Co., but they aren't in his class."). I think Kobe is the best in the game today, but I'd take Magic or Bird over him. Russell's before my time (and harder to compare, anyway).

Whole thing here: http://www.oregonlive.com/sports/ore...performan.html

Gattigap 06-16-2010 07:07 PM

Re: The thread where Spring has sprung, and Penske has risen from the law. Word!
 
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Originally Posted by Oliver_Wendell_Ramone (Post 426519)
2.

Our idiot loudmouth (but award winning!) local columnist just posted a new column calling Kobe the second best ever ("And apologies to Magic Johnson, Larry Bird, Bill Russell and Co., but they aren't in his class."). I think Kobe is the best in the game today, but I'd take Magic or Bird over him. Russell's before my time (and harder to compare, anyway).

Whole thing here: http://www.oregonlive.com/sports/ore...performan.html


Agree that Kobe's probably the best today, but also agree that it seems your idiot loudmouth is indeed an idiot loudmouth.

FWIW, there are plenty of homers in the LA media for Kobe, but not everyone. One of the local wiseass columnists has dubbed Kobe Our Ball Hog.

ThurgreedMarshall 06-16-2010 07:22 PM

Re: The thread where Spring has sprung, and Penske has risen from the law. Word!
 
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Originally Posted by Replaced_Texan (Post 426515)
I think Americans are trained to be very statistic oriented in their sports watching. I like the FIFA stats page because it has a lot of information, but that's not where I'd go to find out about the teams that are playing and how well they're doing (though Brazil is fucking unbelievable at the number of passes they make and their completion rate). But if you look at the box score, of say Span vs. Switzerland you don't get much information except the general sense that Spain had the ball most of the time, had a lot of opportunities to score, but Switzerland won. It's very different than last night's Lakers vs Celtics box score that is individual player oriented and whatever game this is from baseball (the MLB site sucks) which is also individual player oriented.

Some Americans are stats oriented. Most just want the two teams they're watching to score and, better yet, to have one team win!

TM

ThurgreedMarshall 06-16-2010 07:23 PM

Re: Dweebness
 
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Originally Posted by Adder (Post 426516)
Already owning the theatrical releases and extended editions of each of the films, can I justify buying the new blu ray versions of the Lord of the Rings movies?

No. Because you're never going to watch them unless you flip to them and they're on one of your hd movie channels and you decide not to turn the channel.

The only movies I actually watch from my dvd collection are Trading Places and Trains, Planes and Automobiles.

TM

eta: And Snatch.

ThurgreedMarshall 06-16-2010 07:28 PM

Re: The thread where Spring has sprung, and Penske has risen from the law. Word!
 
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Originally Posted by Oliver_Wendell_Ramone (Post 426519)
Our idiot loudmouth (but award winning!) local columnist just posted a new column calling Kobe the second best ever ("And apologies to Magic Johnson, Larry Bird, Bill Russell and Co., but they aren't in his class."). I think Kobe is the best in the game today, but I'd take Magic or Bird over him. Russell's before my time (and harder to compare, anyway).

I'll have to check that out. I agree with everything you say, except the "Kobe is the best in the game today." He's clearly the best if you need someone to take over at the end of the game or hit a game-winning shot--and that's definitely very important. But Lebron is a better player. I'll ask you what I asked Ty about Bird. If you put Lebron on the Lakers and Kobe on the Cavs, the Lakers would miss the playoffs and the Lakers would probably win the championship in 5.

TM

Tyrone Slothrop 06-16-2010 07:29 PM

Re: The thread where Spring has sprung, and Penske has risen from the law. Word!
 
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Originally Posted by Gattigap (Post 426520)
Agree that Kobe's probably the best today, but also agree that it seems your idiot loudmouth is indeed an idiot loudmouth.

FWIW, there are plenty of homers in the LA media for Kobe, but not everyone. One of the local wiseass columnists has dubbed Kobe Our Ball Hog.

His act of playing nonplussed (in the incorrect sense of the word) at post-game press conferences is so very, very tired.

Tyrone Slothrop 06-16-2010 07:30 PM

Re: The thread where Spring has sprung, and Penske has risen from the law. Word!
 
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Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 426521)
Some Americans are stats oriented. Most just want the two teams they're watching to score and, better yet, to have one team win!

You're saying Americans aren't smart enough to handle three possible outcomes instead of just two? Hockey tends to suggest you're right.

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Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall
If you put Lebron on the Lakers and Kobe on the Cavs, the Lakers would miss the playoffs and the Lakers would probably win the championship in 5.

Doing both would be quite the feat.

ThurgreedMarshall 06-16-2010 07:44 PM

Re: The thread where Spring has sprung, and Penske has risen from the law. Word!
 
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Originally Posted by Gattigap (Post 426520)
it seems your idiot loudmouth is indeed an idiot loudmouth.

Clearly.

"He's a better long-range shooter than Jordan, and more skilled all-around offensively." What? Yes on long range, are you fucking delusional on all-around? That's not even close to funny.

"And apologies to Magic Johnson, Larry Bird, Bill Russell and Co., but they aren't in his class." This is a joke. This guy shouldn't be able to write about basketball ever again.

"In the Finals, against the unit that plays the league's best team defense, Bryant is averaging 29.5 points per game. That's a basket above his season scoring average." Ha! What is his shooting percentage? How often does the ball go to Kobe and never come back out again, freezing the offense? The idiot loudmouth should study this article: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/4...-of-the-finals

"Bird won three NBA titles but wasn't the all-around player that Bryant is. Magic was a charismatic entertainer and a wonderfully creative offensive player, but he didn't play top-notch defense or carry his team single-mindedly the way Bryant does. And Russell isn't in the same conversation as Bryant offensively." Bird was a slow, kind of crappy defender, but he could score with Kobe any day and was 5 times the passer Kobe is. Magic comanded the game, led his team, made everyone around him better and sacrificed scoring for assists. This guy forgot that Magic played all 5 positions in game 6 of the championships in '80 and put up 42 purnts, snatched 15 boards, while passing out 7 dimes. And Russell has 10 championships and guarded Jabbar and fucking Wilt Chamberlain.

"Loudmouth idiot" is an understatement.

TM

ThurgreedMarshall 06-16-2010 07:48 PM

Re: The thread where Spring has sprung, and Penske has risen from the law. Word!
 
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 426525)
You're saying Americans aren't smart enough to handle three possible outcomes instead of just two? Hockey tends to suggest you're right.

Interesting that you think it's about brains. If I'm stupid because I went to a game expecting to see one team win and was disappointed when the game ended 0-0, then I guess I'm not smart enough.

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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 426525)
Doing both would be quite the feat.

Lebron on Lakers wins in 5. Kobe on Cavs misses playoffs.

TM

Pretty Little Flower 06-16-2010 08:42 PM

Re: The thread where Spring has sprung, and Penske has risen from the law. Word!
 
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Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 426521)
Some Americans are stats oriented. Most just want the two teams they're watching to score and, better yet, to have one team win!

TM

Americans don't like soccer because they are not used to it, don't understand it, and have lots of other really good sports options. Other countries enjoy soccer because it is and has been the biggest or one of the biggest sports in their countries since they were kids, and they grew up watching it. I don't think American sports sentivities in that regard are somehow better or worse than the rest of the world -- just different. I don't think we are better than, well, pretty much every single country in the world because we don't like soccer, nor are we unsophisticated thugs for not appreciating soccer. It just seems like a dumb argument to have that fans of one sport are somehow better or worse than fans of another sport.

Well, I just opened up the NYT, and find my belief (that arguing about whether Americans are good or bad because we don't like soccer is moronic) is confirmed:

http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com...-mentality/?hp

Icky Thump 06-16-2010 09:21 PM

Re: Okay, maybe I like soccer a little.
 
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Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 426480)

Now THAT would catch on in a minute here.

Icky Thump 06-16-2010 09:24 PM

Re: The thread where Spring has sprung, and Penske has risen from the law. Word!
 
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 426473)
Sadly, I still don't understand what this means. Sigh.

"I will suck your dick in Macy's window if LeBron comes to the Knicks." is a bet I have made with like umpteen motherfuckers.

Icky Thump 06-16-2010 09:27 PM

Re: The thread where Spring has sprung, and Penske has risen from the law. Word!
 
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 426514)
The Swiss coach, earlier today:

Protect the middle. Oy, what a novel concept.

Icky Thump 06-16-2010 09:30 PM

Why the world likes soccer
 
There are no other sports to watch on TV and all their other TV is SHIT !

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 06-16-2010 09:42 PM

Re: Okay, maybe I like soccer a little.
 
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Originally Posted by Icky Thump (Post 426529)
Now THAT would catch on in a minute here.

Why does that chick get to wear some kind of underbra? That's less fair than Drogba's cast.


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