Setting yourself apart.
 

I assume that "spending time with family" isn't going to curry favor with you as an interest, then.:D

Cancel the interests and use the extra resume line to brag about what you'll do for my organization. I'll find out if you're a well-rounded person when I interview you.

P(actually prefer well rounded, as anyone who can't find a life worth living outside a law library is highly suspect)J

Requium
 

Super Mario was done last year when he had no response to McEwan on the Champs-Elysees.

But aren't there still several sprinters' stages left?

Setting Yourself Apart
 

I was trying to find a sample resume - I think that I really did shred them. As I recall, they list things like "fraternity president," "head of pledge class," etc. If that is the highlight of your life, we don't need you here.

Singh apologizes to Sorenstam
 

Some sports are better to watch when the women are playing, some when the men are playing, and some it doensn't matter. A huge generalization here, but when grace predominates, the women are more watchable and in timed events it doesn't matter.

Some examples:
women's gymnastics, figure skating

men's basketball, hockey

For some reason I also find women's soccer more fun to watch. Perhaps there is less diving/bicthing to the ref in the women's game. The women just seem to go about their business.

equal
swimming, running, skiing, speed skating

I also think tennis is equal. But it's pretty player specific. I have no interest in watching Hewitt or Clijster play, but I would watch Serena or Agassi.

Why is men's golf more fun to watch? Probably becasue it's got a richer sense of history (courses, players, records), that the anouncers always shove in our faces. We're told we should care that Mickelson has never won a major, and that Byron Nelson won 11 tournaments in a row, and for some reason we actually do care. A lot of the reasons people watch golf have very little to do with seeing the ball go in the hole.

Maybe women's golf is currently establishing it own history that will make it more watchable in the future. Or maybe the vast majority of people who watch golf are men, and men like to watch men golf rather than women.

Skip if you're sick of golf talk
 

So many images come to mind. Is this you, Thurgreed?

http://www.digikitten.com/playhousev...py/12grogn.gif

Or do you, Less, and Spooky look more like this?
http://www.digikitten.com/playhousev...uppy/marsh.gif

Perhaps what you are waiting for is this -- :flag: or :bow: or :cry:
because you think you've done this -- :whip:

We know you don't want one of these: :hug:

And you couldn't possibly have this in mind: :rofl:

In the end, though, perhaps the best way to sum up the golf thread is with this -- :sleep:

Requium
 

Domina was perfect on today's stage -- absolutely flawless -- and Cipo could not get around Lombardi.

Phil and Paul were predicting he'll take the "express train to Milan" but I hope he will remain in contention at least until Tuscany.

Even(glad they must wear helmets now)Odds

Edited to add: Mario ended last year's season with a dominant sprint performance in the Vuelta, and then a victory in a little thing called the world championships in October. He hasn't raced in the TdF since he left Saeco for first Soap & Water and now Domina. Given his performance in the Giro, it's doubtful Domina will get an invite. McEwan beat Zabel, if I remember correctly.

Setting yourself apart.
 

Do people seriously put personal interests on their resumes?

Setting yourself apart.
 

What the hell kind of candidates are you getting? The fucking Mickey Mouse Club? If I received a resume with a "Personal Interests" section I would throw it in the trash. What makes that person think I give a flying fuck about their interests. I don't care about any interest you may have except doing the job I am looking to hire someone for. I want to see your credentials and will feel-out your personality in an interview where I MIGHT ask about personal interests. Come to think of it, you can impress me by having a "Personal Interests" section and putting NONE so that I know you will have no issues about slaving your ass off for me. Personal Interests, you are a lawyer for fuck's sake so you don't have time for personal interests. What is with kids these days?

Edited to say that I should have read the other responses before repeating essentially what everyone else fucking said. Shit.

Requium
 

I played poker, drank Bushmills and listened to Maceo Parker and Willie Nelson. No TV. Plus I perused Outside magazine's gear guide and thought about buying a new daypack. TITS!

Requium
 

Speaking of cycling, but in the leisurely "let's cruise along on a flat surface then stop for a bottle of wine, some cheese, a baguette and some grapes" category, I have seen my dream 500-lb. one-speed steel cruiser at a bike show, and it is a pearly pink schwinn with a martini-and-cocktail-shaker design.

But I purchased Tangerine Sparkle Handbag-from-Heaven instead.

Requium
 

When did you stop being funny and turn into a crotchety old fart?

Did you ever think that many of us actually have real firm jobs and we are still concerned about being outed so if we have really interesting hobbies, like say, visiting serial killers in prison or staying overnight in famous haunted houses, or even if we just went white-water rafting last weekend, we might not be able to talk about it on the board b/c we have actually mentioned these unique and interesting things to our co-workers?

I don't talk to my co-workers about tv. I talk to my on-line imaginary friends about it. And if you don't like it, you can hustle your ass off to a tv-free board.

Ass.

Requiem
 

This is exactly why I don't participate in the bikini wax discussions here.

Requium
 

500 lbs., huh? It would have to be hooked up to a car for towing. ;)

I still have my specialized sirrus, but it lacks the comfort of a true cruising bike.

Nor am I allowed to ride it outside. You know, you break one arm . . .

E/O

Stop living in the past.
 

I would think if his white ass was bobbing up and down at the time, she'd be grateful for the umbrella. Not that 8-Track has a particularly unappealing ass.... It's just that the Princess is a creature of very delicate sensibilities.

In addition to parenthetical comments being overrated, I would like to add to the list everyone's concern about being outted. (Not a poke at barely's latest post, it just prompted the comment).

I mean, what if someone found out who you were? Do you really think you would get fired? More likely they would make fun of you, which, in my mind, is not a big deal. People make fun of me for a lot worse reasons than the fact that I "hang out" with a bunch of internet geeks.

Anyway, that isn't meant to spark a debate or anything or to suggest that I don't take people's desire for anonymity seriously, because I do (and am bound to by the TOS), I guess it's more a comment on my own feelings about my own anonymity. In other words, I really don't care who does and doesn't know who I am.

The only reason I don't want you all telling everyone else who I am is so that I have a bargaining chip when people want to engage in a mutual outing.

Now, can we get back to the brazillian topic?

Stop living in the past.
 

Don't bother. I've been trying for weeks and I haven't even been given permission to pet her puppies.

Requium
 

Dude, who pissed in your Wheaties this morning?

BR(anyone who still gets laid and watches television & movies not involving cartoons leads a fuller life than Bilmore, so why bother getting a bug up your bum?)C

Stop living in the past.
 

Wonkie, one PM hardly constitutes "trying for weeks."

You, of all people, should be terrified of being outed. Do you really want all your co-workers to know what you and your wife do with your tongues? I don't care what people do in bed, but I don't want to know about my co-workers sexual quirks. Ew. I mean, just ew.

edited to add that I do know of someone at my firm who was "outed" and who left the firm shortly thereafter -- I don't know if the leaving was related to the "outing" but I'm not willing to take that chance. I also know of other stories about unfortunate outings that I'm not at liberty to share, but trust me, they can royally fuck up a person's career.

Requium
 

It's been widely reported that Donald Rumsfeld watches no television, does not read fiction, and does not listen to contemporary music. That's pretty compelling evidence in favor of TM's argument.

That's the thing, I don't really care. It's just an ongoing joke. No one knows what we REALLY do in the bedroom. It's all just hearsay. And even if it was true, so what? I guess I just don't have the same threshold of shame that other people have.

I don't get embarassed easily.

The word embarassed worked well in that sentence.

Setting yourself apart.
 

People still actually put a "personal interests" section on their resumes? When I was more involved with the hiring process, that was usually the second "send it to the circular file" filter. The first filter was if the resume was done in crayon.

Stop living in the past.
 

Why thank you. I never knew you noticed.

TV
 

Am I the only one who didn't take Bilmore dead seriously? I mean, for a guy who's condemned to live in the Patch and constantly defend his age, he seems pretty easygoing usually.

And having just seen the E! True Story about Dynasty, and unwillingly learning to my everlasting sorrow that Jeff is no longer hot, I am inclined to agree with his position and throw the damn thing out the window.

Setting Yourself Apart
 

While I concur that it does not belong on a resume, if you actually think that any of the dredgery in all my years of practicing law was more of a highlight than my time spent as pledgemaster in my college fraternity, you are HIGHLY mistaken.

Revise resume:

Activities
Enjoy caffeinated beverages; chronic insomniac and early riser; like to proofread and correct verb tenses; enjoy being yelled at.

not7yS

Stop living in the past.
 

Well, a guy wants a little encouragement. I would think that at least you'd be impressed by the fact that I'm trying to scare off competition.

Stop living in the past.
 

Why do you think I kept buying you drinks?

Interests Section
 

Interests:
Being correct, staying current on recent trends in my area of expertise, high-dollar suits.

BR(an "Personal Interests" section at the end doesn't make me reach for the shredder as fast as a "Goals" section up top.)C

Stop living in the past.
 

Originally posted by taxwonk
Wait, now I'm confused -- is 8-track your competition, or mine (NTTAWWT)?

Set yourself apart
 

Unfortunately yes, because the morons in Career Services at some law schools tell you to put that shit in there because it could distinguish you from other applicants.
"Well I see by your resume that you are interested in cats. Me too. Forget about that Yale guy, we're going to hire you instead."

:mad:

Interests Section
 

Yeah, the only honest "Goal" is - To win $350 million in the lottery so that I don't have to fucking slave for the man anymore. But until that happens, my goal is to have a job that I can at least somewhat tolerate, at which I can figure out the bare minimum and stick to it and that pays enough jack to get me through until the lottery thing happens and I can tell my boss what a fucking asshair he is. Oh yeah, and use my legal education to help people -- ME!

Setting yourself apart.
 

I know it is fun and funny to pretend that we are all so fucking busy and important that we don't care about anything except how much work the poor young candidate will do for us. But, and maybe this is just a function of my idyllic Midwestern law firm existence, I have personal interests and I expect you, the candidate, to have some too. I am indifferent as to whether you put them on your resume, and for reasons I mentioned above, it may be best not to given that there seems to be a lot to lose and little to gain. But I actually socialize with some of my co-workers. Some of them are funny as shit and do really interesting stuff. Moreover, even out here in the Heartland, I still spend a great deal of my time working. This job is too fucking boring on its own. To have to spend a significant portion of my life doing law firm work with personalityless drones would be too much to take. If I get the sense that drafting motion papers about discovery disputes is going to be the most interesting thing in your life, you are history.

Set yourself apart
 

I got one in last year with height and weight on it. Seriously. I actually emailed the guy and told him that not only were we not hiring, but he should really reconsider this section.

The "goal/objective" section should be outlawed as well - wow - you want a challenging position in which you can use your skills and abilities to develop personally and professionally? Great - but can you type and will you promise not to annoy me?

And better yet, the cover letter addressed to the dead partner - that's good; I can see you researched the firm. (I don't have any dead guys, but I have friends that get these all the time.)

-TL :rolleyes:

Requium
 

On another board, I used to post where I would complain that people were talking about their lives and not about tv shows.

I watch a grand total of two shows regularly, Buffy and Angel. I've been watching these shows since they started, and I've been commenting on them in various fora online for seven years, in a much more in depth way than I've ever talked about any television show here. That's probably outable, but what the hell.

I'll be happy to defend the quality of the shows, I'll be happy to point out the academic interest in the shows, critical reviews, etc. But I get the impression that you do not care. I'm talking about a silly tv show with a silly name, and you could care less about it. In fact, probably eight, maybe ten people in this forum actually care about it. But there are other shows that other people care about, and inevitably, they end up talking to one another about it.

Television, movies and other media are a comon interest. For better or for worse, it's a part of our culture, and it is something that unites us. If we don't acknowledge that, it's not going to go away.

I watch the same show that other posters watch. I immediately know what they're talking about, and generally (despite TiVo), it happens simultaneously. If I read a book, even a popular hot book, it's likely that the posters with the same interet will not have read it yet, or read it a year ago, or are on to the sequel at the point that I'm ready to discuss it. Interestingly, the television dedicated sites tend to degenerate into general discussion when an international crowd joins the fray. Simply, it's impossible to talk about the show all the time if not everyone in the forum has seen it yet, and international syndication tends to be months off.

With the exception of sports and politics and news (all areas that rely heavily on television for dissemination), there are not that many areas where everyone is doing the same thing at the same time. Of course, then, are people going to want to talk about it.

Set yourself apart
 

I think this kind of crap (interests, goals, personal data) also might be somewhat more relevant and prevalent on business-oriented resumes. I've had several friends who are in different industries take a gander at my resume and most suggest I add all that stuff to it. One person even said I should imitate his, which included such salient details like marital status. He didn't understand at all when I said "um, that's not really relevant to what I do."

C(don't need a potential employer to know my interests are champagne, shoes, and increasing my personal wealth)deuced

Resumes
 

I sometimes can't tell when he's being ironic, but if he isn't, I'm with PLF.

The whole lot of you who just claimed you shitcanned the resumes of every applicant who had the temerity to volunteer his/her personal interests just forever forfeited the right to complain that your colleagues and bosses are asshats.

Merely one generation ago, people chose to practice law together based on a shared set of principles. I guess we've created a profession in which everyone has the same, single principle. And thereby earned the opprobrium heaped upon us by laypeople.

Set yourself apart
 

Tying together threads: I have never found Will & Grace to be funny, but last night, after half a bottle of champagne, it was. I laughed and laughed.

Then I did something worthwhile, wink wink.

Poll: Personal Interests
 

This is actually an amusing poll topic. If you were submitting your resume to PLF's firm, what would you put in the Personal Interests section?

Personal Interests: Metro-sexuality; couture; the latest Rave drugs; working mind-numbing hours on subjects of legal interest

Set yourself apart
 

Don't tell me. Your pants fell down?

Setting yourself apart.
 

As I stated, I might ask about personal interests in the interview. My concern in the interview is personality -- as in, can I work around this person every day. The experience on your resume gets you to the personality test -- trying to display your personality on your resume will not make up for poor experience and would make me think twice about even calling you in if you are borderline.

My unwritten rule is to never socialize with co-workers and I don't. Some chitchat about sports or such is fine, but I came here to work not to develop a hang-out group of friends for out-of-office activities. Of course, my experience may differ from yours inasmuch as I don't work around other lawyers and my position is such that it is somewhat "difficult" to socialize with other people here. That being said, it might not differ for me at a firm because I have yet in my career to meet an attorney I would want to hang around with any more than necessary to get the job done.