Setting yourself apart.
 

Words to live by. For me, I would not risk being friendly with people that one must kill before climbing over their dead bodies on the way to the top.

Set yourself apart
 

I think it's a holdover also from that period of time when there wasn't much to put on the resume. If all you really have is a bunch of summer jobs that probably would hurt more than they help and your education, you end up with a lot of white space. So the career people tell you to put in the stuff you did in college that got you into law school and other stuff that makes you sound interesting or skillful. I used to have a joke resume that said "can parallel park Suburban." Hey, it's a skill.

I had an "other interest" sort of come back to haunt me last year. One of the bigwigs at my company was sending a report on the activities of my and other offices to the bigger bigwigs, and he pulled out my resume from HR so he could put in a paragraph about why I'm the best person for my job and aren't we lucky we have me. The final sentence of the paragraph, in an effort to show the bigger bigwigs that I was a varied and interesting individual, highlighted my rugby playing days.

Resumes
 

I don't see how putting "mountain biking" as an interest necessarily means you share the same principles with someone that would be relevant to the practice of law and potentially running a firm together. Someone else can share exactly my interests and still be the biggest wench with whom I wouldn't even want to share lunch.

Having a personality and having interests other than the practice of law is laudable (if you can juggle all that, congrats to you). But it just often looks damn stupid on a resume when people make their interests completely generic. I want to know sort of what they've done, where they've worked, perhaps some good activities.

Most resumes I see remind me of match.com personals that list really generic interests and still give me no sense of what the person is about, so I'd rather they just drop it and we'll discuss it in the interview.

C(apparently every guy in the Bay Area loves hiking, wine and good food)deuced

Set yourself apart
 

I agree that is was funny to me for the first time every. Although I found it funny on beer.

Resumes
 

Whatever. I guess I am an asshat because I think personality matters should be left to the interview and it is unprofessional to place them on a resume. I look at a resume to find the people who I think, based on their work history, can do the job and then I use the interview process to find out which one of those qualified people has a personality that will mesh with the office. I know that everyone whose resume I review has interests but they don't matter to me until I know that they are qualified for the job. Furthermore, from an asshatish legal perspective, certain interests or hobbies or clubs can "volunteer" information about a person that I shouldn't be considering as part of my decision to interview (ex Gay Pride, Tri Lamda, etc) and although I believe I would be able to not consider those things I can certainly see a candidate raising the issue if an interview is not granted ("your honor, TF hates gays and would not interview me because I was in Gay Pride").

edited to say that the Gay Pride thing is just an example and that I do not hate gays. I hate people in general and would never waste the energy to distinguish.

Set yourself apart
 

Stuff like this still opens doors. I can think of one tough-to-break-into firm where one's softball playing ability makes the difference for summer associate positions.

There's one entry on my resume that is a little oddball. People who've known me for casually years are generally surprised to hear it. I put it in my resume because it rarely fails to provoke a question in which I can eloquently (I must say) show off the depth of my interest in a matter over which there's a bit of curiosity, but little actual knowledge, nowadays. More than once, these conversations end with "I'd really like to talk with you further about that sometime." I don't know whether it's ever actually gotten me a paying job, but from a networking standpoint, it's golden.

Setting yourself apart.
 

Absolutely. I work with great people and don't mind going out for a drink or lunch to celebrate an office triumph or a birthday, but I already see my coworkers far more during the week than I get to see my family or friends. And I have interests I like to pursue on my own as well.

Outside-of-work hours are mine. This whole "work is a big family" thing is fucking unhealthy.

Set yourself apart
 

Rock climbing.

Where's ABBA? She would appreciate a groan-worthy pun, um, no pun intended.

The internet is a weird place
 

The Only Adult Rated Jonny Quest Drawing Page (spree: The only adult rated Jonny Quest drawing page. The page itself is just links and descriptions, but the links are, er, adult rated.)

Setting yourself apart.
 

Hmm. I imagine that has interesting implications for dealing with you during the interview process.

On second thought, please burn my resume now, and tell Recruiting that I won't be in on Tuesday, okay?

Gatti(Interests: Tattoos, piercings, Phish, and quiet walks on the beach)gap

Breaking News
 

Thurgreed, Halle needs you, she broke her arm!

http://entertainment.msn.com/news/ar...px?news=122750

Resumes
 

Not so. Hiking sux.

Setting yourself apart.
 

It probably would be unhealthy if you were fucking them.

On the other hand, who needs a work family when we have this Great Big Community of Caring(tm) known as the Fashion Board?

Set yourself apart
 

Will & Grace never gets me in that kind of mood unfortunately. Maybe next time I should watch it with Taxwonk, a gallon of champagne and a defibrillator.

Resumes
 

I agree with those saying this personal stuff has no place on a CV, whether one's employer is interested in having something more than fungible billing units or not, but probably for different reasons. To me, the implied invasion of privacy is horribly offensive. What might make for a pleasant co-worker, with a compatible (work) personality and enjoyable banter, is very different from what I want of an actual friend I would invite into my personal, private life and with whom I would share my interests. Why the hell should my employer feel they have the right to know (or even ask) anything at all about me personally? Why the hell should someone feel the right to force such knowledge on me? It's an imposition, an intrusion into my private life, that actually makes me feel an almost physical revulsion. While that's something of an overreaction, it's not hyperbole. The loss of the distinction between one's public and one's private life (particularly without the corresponding total synthesis of the two) is responsible, I think, for most of the problems that make people so unhappy in their jobs, so I consider it an issue worth taking seriously.

On the "other businesses & industries do the goal/interests" thing, I've had friends tell me to add those to my CV, too. When asked "why, what possible relevant or legitimate information would it add?" they always say something to the effect of "those sections just go there, you just have to have them just because." Every time this happens I conclude that, after hanging around with lawyers for so long, I've fogotten how extraordinarily weak most people are in the critical thinking department, and it reinforces for me something of my old sense of superiority to the rest of humanity, most of which was beaten out of me during my first 2 years of servile humiliation in the name of the law.

Resumes
 

Yeah, and when I lived there I sought out only bad food.

Resumes
 

Which reminds me of a conversation several friends of mine once had:

Guy 1 - "You have seen her. And she was just my type. I love skinny girls with big tits"

Guy 2 - "Really? Hmm. And I just loooooove fat girls with NO tits. Asshat!!!"

not7y(duh)S

Resumes
 

Oh brother. Sometimes you are just too much. I have no position on interests on a resume, if they are interesting, fine, put them on.

I don't think the past was as rosy as you do. I would much prefer to have someone evaluate me on how much I worship the almightly dollar than whether I share some of those other exclusionary "principles" that held sway in the past or whether I fit in with that culture rather than the one of today. I can 100% guarantee you that if I were seeking my current job one generation ago, there is no way I would even be considered.

Speaking of good food
 

Copper River salmon season opened on May 14; supposed to be appearing in local resturants and markets 'round these parts today or tomorrow. Break out the high-end Pinot.


Mmmmmm, $27/pound fish....

Set yourself apart
 

It's also good to know whether or not you will "get along" with certain people in the firm. It's not just work, you sometimes have to have conversations with these people. I'll never forget the time I was interviewing for a internship and one of the partners said to me "First of all, I always wear suits - everyday. Court or no court. But I refuse to wear socks. Socks are a stupid waste of time. And of course we'll ask you to draft a lot of letters because the stupid bitches in the secretarial pool can't use Word." I'm not kidding - those were his exact words. And gee so bummed out not to be working there - NOT.

:sniffle:

Resumes
 

double post, sorry

Speaking of good food
 

Eek! I don't think I would buy any sort of food at $27.00/lb - I'm far too practical.

I did however gorge myself on boiled shrimp the other night - ate them all before Mr. Lex got home. I'd been thinking about them rather obsessively since our mudbug discussion.

-T(and unlike many other things these days - they actually stayed down!)L

To post, or not to post
 

Deleted text -- I had second thoughts.

Set yourself apart
 

I judge anyone I'm potentially going to work with by how they treat the lowest-ranking staffer. If they're going to pick on someone weak who can't fight back without fear of getting fired, they're cowards, one, and virtually never have the stones to stand up to someone at their own level or above, two. Three, they're only going to cause a morale-and-productivity drop and excessive turnover on my staff, both of which are more important to me than some jackass genius with a God complex. Tragically, there are always more of those available.

P(hate arrogant lawyer bullshit)J

Speaking of good food
 

Although it also means that in 3 weeks or so the other wild salmon will be showing up, at more reasonable prices.

Mmmm(sockeye, king, coho)Burger

Setting yourself apart... with ommissions
 

The personal interest section of a resume is always "Head of Young Lawyers' Division Social Committee" or "Red Cross Volunteer Zeus Committee Vice-Secretary". Its all usually a glop of horseshit meant to show the firm that your entire life is devoted to "worthwhile" organizations which can bring business into the firm and make you sound you a super-humanitarian.

I just list skiing, golf and that I wrote a book. I see no reason to tell folks how many rubber chicken United Way dinners I did last year or that I'm on some board at the museum or the local YMCA.

If I had a stitch of honesty, I'd say:

Personal:
Social gatherings, parties, eating out, happy hour, happy afternoon, going to the gym, social gatherings, going to the beach, biking, recreational substance abuse, buying tons of cds, internet porn, banging the old lady, regular bowel movements, etc...

Now how much money can I squeeze out of you, pencil neck?

Stop living in the past.
 

You can only imagine how I feel. I know the guy. I am just thankful he didnt do an Ollie on me.

Stop living in the past.
 

We are totally sock puppets. Except my ass isnt hairy. And if 8track was bobbing his white ass in the street, I would like to be paged.

Set yourself apart
 

Amen. Besides, as several associates here have discovered to their sorrow, some the bigwigs may have far more concern for their menials' feelings than for your continued employment.

Fashion, politics, and Texas converge in Oklahoma
 

http://www.arkansasnbc.com/Global/story.asp?S=1279826

Willie Nelson has sent bandanas and whiskey to the Texas legislators holed-up in an Oklahoma hotel. That rawks. I wonder if he also sent them weed?

Set yourself apart
 

Ditto. I've said before that a person who cannot, without browbeating, screaming, or threatening, persuade a secretary to put em's work at the top of the pile has no business being in a profession in which we persuade others to adopt our view of things.

Of course, to the extent DS has a tacitly dismissive attitude toward valuing menials' feelings over the associates, I disagree unless it relates to something mild, like a misperceived snub. Being actually abusive to a subordinate is grounds for firing for multiple good reasons, potential liability among them, and I'm secretly pleased to see someone like that go.

Brazillian Poll
 

I homewaxed for a bit using the Bliss stuff. It was

1) a fucking mess
2) fucking painful
3) not that much fucking cheaper than the real deal.

It would work if you just did an old school bikini wax and trimmed the rest (guys is that not acceptable anymore?) bc the outer hair yankig doesnt hurt quite so much.

This asian gal I know does herself and I asked how she did it. She buys drug store shit but she also said that asians had much finer hair than us whiteys (how does she know?) so it was easier.

Set yourself apart
 

We had this conversation some time back, and I was pretty much alone in saying that personal interests don't belong on resumes.

Here's what I posted:

It seems that I am being considered by some people on this board to be stuffy because I don’t like to see items unrelated to the job on a resume. Just to prove you wrong, and because I am inspired by Lady Greediva’s myriad accomplishments, I am updating my resume as follows. Please let me know if you find any of these items inappropriate.

Lawyer Princess
La Palace, Third Tier City

Education: First tier college in first tier city first tier suburb , second tier law school in first tier city

Experience: Second tier firm in third tier city; first tier company in third tier city

Honors: voted Most Likely to Procrastinate; Nevada State Schmoozing Champion; Guinness World Record Holder for Most Consecutive Times Telling a Four Year Old She Is Not Getting a Sleeping Beauty Barbie Because She Already Has Enough Barbies; Three Time Recipient of the Buy 12 Dozen Bagels, Get 13th Dozen Free Award; The Parking Karma Medal (for the uncanny ability to find a parking space near the entrance even when the lot is full)

Hobbies: commuting; straightening up; making fun of the local news; shopping the sales; inserting tab A into slot B; buying Barbies; organizing photos; laundry; buying new makeup and throwing away old, unused makeup; enjoying fine whisky; perusing the Yahoo clubs.

SETTING YOURSELF APART
 

I have interviewed someone for a lateral (i.e., not even a summer associate) position who had high school awards on her resume.

How she made it past the screening process is a mystery to me. I think my written evaluation was that, after she left my office, I stared at the guest chair where she had been sitting for 15 minutes and found it far more interesting in her absence.

Conjugating asshats
 

Is "asshat" past tense for "is shit" or "to be shit"?

How does "has shatten" fit into the mix? Or "was been shitten"?

Enquiring minds. . .

Poll: Personal Interests
 

Taking really bad photographs of family and zoo animals, buying history and philosophy books that I think I still have the patience to read and throwing them back on the shelf as soon as the new issue of Esquire comes in the mail, cooking meals elaborate enough that my wife won't realize I'm using all kinds of ingredients that I'm not supposed to eat anymore, and trying to get certain posters to believe that I really am an amoral sleazeball and would happily take a horizontal romp with them. And spending time with my family.

Setting Yourself Apart
 

I had my personal interests on my resume and some asshole headhunter told me to remove them.

I am still at old job.

Requium
 

You are right. I have no cause to complain about the topics people choose to address here, or the manner in which they address them. I should be more accepting, and kinder, and just . . . just . . . nicer.

Like you.

(Cool. I actually typed that with a straight face. I was wondering if I would make it.)

Asshat.

(Slave told me that's the new, fashionable phrase.)

Brazillian Poll
 

Is this the same friend for whomhttp://205.214.94.186/forums/avatar....ine=1048887002 lusts?

Setting yourself apart.
 

Dude. You are missing half the fun.