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Would you let your daughter get into any type motorized vehicle with a male kennedy? answer the question.

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Harrumph, harrumph, harrumph, harrumph, harrumph... Calling politicians liars, particularly in the current political winds, is like handing out speeding tickets at the Indy 500.

The distinction between Bush and Clinton upon which you justify your dislike of Bubba and affinity for W is that W lies for a purpose - to achieve a greater good, but Bubba just lied for self gain. You seem to think W's lies are allright, because he;s not just trying to get rich or keep power. Shit, he was already born rich, and powerful. I think thats a horseshit distinction, particularly where Bush's lies cost lives and Clinton's cost what? Embarrassment to himself? And if thats the best distinction you can offer (which it seems to be because its always your lead argument), then you ain't got much in the barrel.

They're all liars. Clintons, Bushes... same filthy political animals.

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Are you talking to me? What question?

Hank -- the whole "Clintons murdered x and y and z" is not a schtick. Penske believes it -- see? He can't say that he does not.

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The same? Cite a lie Laura Bush told.

CIA Officer Leak
 

Okay so let's knock it off here -- would someone explain who leaked the info and why?

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There's an even better distinction:

The Clintons are worse than the Bushes because Hillary lies and Laura is basically mute...

...notwithstanding the fact that Hillary has yet to be caught in a lie, let alone a lie under oath. Isn't that the rule? Lying is OK as long as no one gets caught doing it under oath? Oh, wait. I forgot. The rules change when they don't benefit the current administration and its willfully ignorant minions.

CIA Officer Leak
 

Unfortunately, the media is so captivated by navel-gazing ("should Time have turned over the notes? Would we have done so?") that there isn't much discussing about what the notes actually show. So far Rove is the only person I've seen named, but it's far from clear at this point.

CIA Officer Leak
 

You refer to Plame? The Time notes haven't been publicized but late list week I posted a link to a website that claims Karl Rove will be outed as the leak. Why? Revenge for her husband's noncooperation in making the case for the Iraq war.

CIA Officer Leak
 

If Rove is outed, the next few months will be the craziest bloodbath in a long time. You know the Dems won't stop with Rove. They'll push for a full on investigation of what Bush knew and when, and whether he was engaged in a cover up of any sort.

I just don't buy the Rove thing. How could an operator so shrewd and cold let a small fry like Wilson get far enough under his skin to cause him to do something so stupid? I hope its Rove, but I doubt it.

ETA: Is it possible W's henchmen are as dim and venal as Nixon's?

CIA Officer Leak
 

Pat Fitzgerald is a fucking bulldog. He'll eventually get to the bottom of this.

CIA Officer Leak
 

Dude, do you realize what that means? Bush's ratings are already sinking. A Rove indictment would make Bush a major league lame duck. He'd be so caught in investigations that he'd never get any of his agenda through. He'd look like Bubba and Reagan in the last three years of their respective terms. This is no Watergate, but it smells awful, and its the just the sort of incredible gift the news media needs right now.

For these reasons and more, I still say it can't be Rove. He cannot be that stupid.

CIA Officer Leak
 

Agree.

Me neither. I just hope they get to the bottom of this and fry the treasonous bastard. ETA: who ever that treasonous bastard may be...

Doubt it, but the accumulation and consolidation of power leads people to get sloppy.

CIA Officer Leak
 

Don't know, but I'll support Patrick Fitzgerald 100% for any position he is ever nominated for, and particularly Attorney General. This guy went after the political combine in Illinois no-holds-barred, and it appears he's willing to do the same to the Fourth Estate (or is it Fifth) as well as his Washington masters.

And I still have no idea why the media think they get to set their own rules outside of the legal system? Oh, but your honor, I have this sacred duty to keep my promises, and its important, nay critical, to the American way of life that I be allowed to keep my promises. I just do not get where Time etc. think this is going, but there is nothing that says give up as much as a 9-0 Supreme Court decision. Or was this one 7-2.

Regardless, Patrick Fitzgerald is doing a great job.

Hello

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Penske is nuts, sure. But that doesn't justify a statement as incredible as this one.

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"I'm a desperate housewife." -- Laura Bush, White House Press Corps Annual Dinner, 2005.