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Adder 07-10-2012 05:53 PM

Re: But not a drop to drink.
 
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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 470408)
. I do know that white breads like all of you dems here would likely be building walls and taking water containers if you had to live near people that wanted you dead for what ethnicity you are

Perhaps. Or perhaps we would move out of the settlements of questionable legality we built in the midst of occupied but not annexed territory.

Or maybe if our water concern was really about tampering, rather than driving them out as the one Israeli who's opinion we have access to says, we'd find a way to securely provide water instead of deny it.

I know you still think it's possible to kill your way out of a conflict of this type, but unless you're really willing to contemplate genocide, which thus far the Israeli public has not, you're wrong.

Adder 07-10-2012 05:58 PM

Re: But not a drop to drink.
 
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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 470412)
please go read about the goals of the 1967 war, the goals of Hamas and Hezbollah and the statements of Iran's president.

I heard a rodent living in your neighbors house has been saying nasty things to his friends about your cat. Has your cat been threatened?

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you seriously question that people would like to kill all Israelis, all Jews? How do you explain the security required for a Maccabbee game?

Some people would, obviously.

I don't have any experience with the games or their security, but I would imagine that its related to some people wanting to kill any Israeli's they can, especially if doing so is high profile.

Tyrone Slothrop 07-10-2012 06:30 PM

Re: But not a drop to drink.
 
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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 470407)
as i said, I am in no position to question the decisions of a people that survived 1 genocide and are threatened by a second.

If you don't have a moral compass and can't afford to buy one, perhaps you could rent one, or borrow from a friend.

Tyrone Slothrop 07-10-2012 06:32 PM

Re: But not a drop to drink.
 
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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 470412)
you seriously question that people would like to kill all Israelis, all Jews? How do you explain the security required for a Maccabbee game?

The three-day old baby in that story -- does he want to kill all Israelis, all Jews? I tend to think not. If not, at what age do you think it's fair to assume that the baby is a genocidal maniac? Five days? Seven days?

Hank Chinaski 07-10-2012 08:45 PM

Re: But not a drop to drink.
 
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 470418)
The three-day old baby in that story -- does he want to kill all Israelis, all Jews? I tend to think not. If not, at what age do you think it's fair to assume that the baby is a genocidal maniac? Five days? Seven days?

you keep asking me what I'd do. I have never cleaned a baby's corpse off a bus seat, have you? we may not be in the best position to judge.I will say in my little suburb, I would not deny a child water, no matter the religion or political position. namaste?

as to "moral compass" you need to find a compass, or something that let's you see something other than a single direction. you have 20,000 posts, and not 1 has taken the side of the Israelis, or am I misremembering? you need some ability to change direction son.

Tyrone Slothrop 07-11-2012 12:17 AM

Re: But not a drop to drink.
 
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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 470425)
you keep asking me what I'd do. I have never cleaned a baby's corpse off a bus seat, have you? we may not be in the best position to judge.I will say in my little suburb, I would not deny a child water, no matter the religion or political position. namaste?

as to "moral compass" you need to find a compass, or something that let's you see something other than a single direction. you have 20,000 posts, and not 1 has taken the side of the Israelis, or am I misremembering? you need some ability to change direction son.

You are totally misremembering. For one thing, I keep saying that TSA should imitate the Israelis.

But more to the point, who says I'm not taking the side of the Israelis? I linked to one Israeli criticizing other Israelis. I take the side of Israel. I don't think that what's described in that article is in the best interest of Israel. Nor, I suspect, do you.

Hank Chinaski 07-11-2012 09:52 AM

Re: Pepper sprayed for public safety.
 
http://money.cnn.com/2012/07/10/real_estate/tax-liens/

has the CBO estimated how many homeless children the tax/penalties associated woith HCR will create? when the ignorant try to do good, it so often blows up.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 07-11-2012 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 470428)
http://money.cnn.com/2012/07/10/real_estate/tax-liens/

has the CBO estimated how many homeless children the tax/penalties associated woith HCR will create? when the ignorant try to do good, it so often blows up.

Does spanky know about this opportunity? I thought the Rs were all about creating homeless children, preferable very thirsty ones.

Hank Chinaski 07-11-2012 10:57 AM

Re: But not a drop to drink.
 
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 470427)
You are totally misremembering. For one thing, I keep saying that TSA should imitate the Israelis.

But more to the point, who says I'm not taking the side of the Israelis? I linked to one Israeli criticizing other Israelis. I take the side of Israel. I don't think that what's described in that article is in the best interest of Israel. Nor, I suspect, do you.

what if Israel required all Palistinians to buy their own source of water, and taxed them if they failed to. That I take it would be acceptable?

Adder 07-11-2012 11:23 AM

Re: Pepper sprayed for public safety.
 
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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 470428)
http://money.cnn.com/2012/07/10/real_estate/tax-liens/

has the CBO estimated how many homeless children the tax/penalties associated woith HCR will create? when the ignorant try to do good, it so often blows up.

Perhaps Wonk can enlighten us on whether the federal government can put a tax lien on your house.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 07-11-2012 12:02 PM

Re: But not a drop to drink.
 
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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 470434)
what if Israel required all Palistinians to buy their own source of water, and taxed them if they failed to. That I take it would be acceptable?

Must it be either / or? I'm sure Israel could do both.

Tyrone Slothrop 07-11-2012 01:16 PM

Re: But not a drop to drink.
 
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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 470434)
what if Israel required all Palistinians to buy their own source of water, and taxed them if they failed to. That I take it would be acceptable?

Pretty sure other countries don't try to keep their governments from solving real problems (like dehydration) with something like the Commerce Clause.

Sidd Finch 07-11-2012 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Adder (Post 470377)
There is something less personal and therefore less immediately objectionable about dropping bombs on the city than in removing the lifeline to specific children. In particular in the midst of total war.

But Israel and Palestinians are not in the midst of total war, nor are the total war tactics of the second world war something to be looked back on fondly.

I agree, which is part of why I see comparisons to WWII as pretty close to invoking the Hitler-analogy disqualification rule. I realize Hank made the comparison and not you.

Not Bob 07-11-2012 02:57 PM

So let's sing a song of cheer again!
 
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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 470434)
what if Israel required all Palistinians to buy their own source of water, and taxed them if they failed to. That I take it would be acceptable?

I have neither a kosher nor Halal hot dog in this particular hunt, though I figure that if a stone cold IRA gunman like Martin McGuinness can shake hands with Elizabeth, R. -- and if she can shake hands with a man who may have ordered the death of her cousin (who was also her husband's uncle) Lord Mountbatten -- there is always a chance of peace.

But that is not my point. No. My point is that the GOP of 2012 is acting toward the ACA an awful lot like the GOP of 1936 acted towards Social Security. "It's a tax! The government is forcing you to give Washington money to pay for their socialist agenda. You're compelled to participate whether you want to or not"

We shall see if it works better for Mitt in 2012 than it did for Alf Landon in 1936. My prediction? Mitt does better, but loses in a relatively close popular vote, and a non landslide but Not so Close electoral vote tally, to the socialist Muslim from Indonesia (or maybe Kenya), Barry Soetoro.

Hank Chinaski 07-11-2012 03:10 PM

Re: So let's sing a song of cheer again!
 
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Originally Posted by Not Bob (Post 470449)
I have neither a kosher nor Halal hot dog in this particular hunt, though I figure that if a stone cold IRA gunman like Martin McGuinness can shake hands with Elizabeth, R. -- and if she can shake hands with a man who may have ordered the death of her cousin (who was also her husband's uncle) Lord Mountbatten -- there is always a chance of peace.

But that is not my point. No. My point is that the GOP of 2012 is acting toward the ACA an awful lot like the GOP of 1936 acted towards Social Security. "It's a tax! The government is forcing you to give Washington money to pay for their socialist agenda. You're compelled to participate whether you want to or not"

We shall see if it works better for Mitt in 2012 than it did for Alf Landon in 1936. My prediction? Mitt does better, but loses in a relatively close popular vote, and a non landslide but Not so Close electoral vote tally, to the socialist Muslim from Indonesia (or maybe Kenya), Barry Soetoro.

what percentage of Americans has a retirement fund in place when SS was started? What percentage of American had HC when HCR was passed?


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