Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 495209)

I'm not sure I understand what you're saying. Are you saying he was chosen because of his twitter career? Or are you saying that comedians (in positions to get talk shows) don't post jokes on twitter? I'm hoping it's something else because neither of those things makes a lick of sense.

TM

Originally Posted by Sidd Finch (Post 495207)

I'm sure the vast majority of people posting jokes to twitter make a lot of Not Funny ones. Maybe virtually all of them.

But virtually all people posting jokes to twitter do not get selected to host a national comedy show. So, he's exceptional on this point, but not on the above point, and that's sad.

Originally Posted by Sidd Finch (Post 495211)

I'm saying that I acknowledge having only a small sample size, but that small sample size is a bunch of consistently awful jokes. Not awful because they are offensive, but because they aren't funny and are stupid.

He could be a fantastically good comedian. The selection here could be horribly unfair, a completely unrepresentative .0001% of the jokes he's told. But it's the sample that I'm looking at and I don't just write it off as irrelevant just because "lots of people tell bad jokes on twitter." So what? Lots of people tell bad jokes everywhere. The vast majority of people would also suck ass in a stand-up routine, and if Noah also sucked ass at stand-up you wouldn't say "it's okay, most people would do badly there."

What you're saying -- essentially, "yes, these jokes suck, but his stand-up is good and that's more relevant to the job he'll have, especially since he probably won't be writing his own material" -- is a different and sensible response. I don't agree or disagree with it, because I haven't seen his stand-up. But it's a qualitatively different response than saying "it's okay, lots of people come across as unfunny or bigoted on twitter."

Originally Posted by Sidd Finch (Post 495212)

Already gave a longer response, but in essence I'm saying that, if comedians post jokes on Twitter, I hope they are generally a lot funnier than these or I'm not particularly interested in those comedians.

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 495208)

Another one.

Yep. He probably hasn't evolved and shouldn't be allowed to. He probably should just step down because people won't be happy unless his comedic history reads like Stewart's, post 2003.

Ridiculous.

TM

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 495214)

I'm sorry. I'm truly having trouble with this conversation. And it's even more troubling that all of you, who pride yourselves on being knowledgeable and who usually spend more than 10 seconds researching a topic before drawing conclusions, have so quickly determined the guy isn't funny and might be offensive based on the 6 jokes out of nine fucking thousand from 5 years ago that aren't funny.

Originally Posted by Sidd Finch (Post 495216)

As for the rest -- I thought I was reasonably paraphrasing what you said, but apparently not. I'll drop this topic. You are way more invested in this than I am.

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 495204)

We aren't disagreeing I just don't think you can stop fat girl jokes.

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 495206)

Are you truly basing your opinion of his entire career on the 4 jokes picked because of their offensiveness?

Originally Posted by Sidd Finch (Post 495212)

Already gave a longer response, but in essence I'm saying that, if comedians post jokes on Twitter, I hope they are generally a lot funnier than these or I'm not particularly interested in those comedians.

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 495215)

I'm sorry, it appears my joke fell flat. Please don't judge me on it.

Look, if he has a good schtick and I start seeing Stewart-like clips of him on issues of the day, all is forgotten; we don't hold comics to the same standards as, say, Bill O'Really.

But I'd still stay away from the Jewish jokes for a while if I were him.

Originally Posted by Replaced_Texan (Post 495221)

I'm not trying to pick a fight, nor do I have an opinion, but does it matter if his mother is half-Jewish?

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 495219)

Yes, I am (but at least I'm clear that it may not be a good sample). Hopefully those tweets were an early stage, like Van Gogh's potato eaters, and we have starry nights to look forward to.

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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 495223)

Orthodox, reformed or reconstructionist?

Originally Posted by Sidd Finch (Post 495216)

Huh? These are things I said in the post that you responded to:

"I acknowledge having only a small sample size..."
"He could be a fantastically good comedian."
"The selection here could be horribly unfair, a completely unrepresentative .0001% of the jokes he's told."



The only "conclusion" I reached is that the small sample size I'm looking at is a bunch of shitty jokes. They are shitty enough that I wonder if he's especially funny or a good writer of his own material, but that called a "question," not a "conclusion." To the extent that I am interested in answering the question and reaching a conclusion, I'll watch the show. Not really willing to do more "research" than that, as this isn't all that important to me beyond being a sort of interesting discussion. Though if you linked a clip you think is good, I'd watch it.




Again, huh? Who said I'm not giving him a fucking shot? But if it makes you feel better, I promise not to utilize the enormous power that I have over Comedy Central to get the guy fired. And I will likely watch the show as much as I watch Stewart (which is every once in awhile, when there is a guest or topic I'm really interested in or when I see a clip posted somewhere that looks interesting).





Once again, huh? My reaction is that the jokes he told on twitter suck, and I don't write that off as irrelevant because supposedly all comedians tell shitty jokes on twitter. If you read that as me saying Noah is fatally un-funny, shouldn't been hired, etc., that's your reading, and it's way off.


As for the rest -- I thought I was reasonably paraphrasing what you said, but apparently not. I'll drop this topic. You are way more invested in this than I am.