LawTalkers - I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.

These people don't want govt intervention. They want jobs. And stop with this stupid retraining and education fix. That's not going to work, nor is it realistic. These people want jobs that don't exist anymore. They're fucked. So they vote for the guy the dumbest of them think will ring back jobs, and the brightest of them think will blow up the global economy, forcing us to start manufacturing things domestically once more.

Hillary had nothing to offer these people but managed decline. Trump also had nothing to offer, except a lie, or, if he's serious about screwing up intl trade, a dystopian world where some jobs do indeed come back, but our collective standard of living goes to shit.

I agree with all of this. Economically speaking, Republicans don't offer these voters anything. Democrats offer them weak sauce. After eight years of weak sauce, they're ready to try what's behind Door #2.

But the other part isn't economic. For people who are getting screwed economically, Republicans offer them traditional hierarchies, a chance to feel superior to blacks and Hispanics and immigrants, a chance to say "fuck you" to a whole lot of people. If the jobs aren't ever coming back, that's something, amiright?

Tyrone Slothrop

11-21-2016 01:26 PM

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.

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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 504024)

I thought I might vote for her in a pinch for a while, and there's no way to know how I'd have acted facing different projections, but if I had to guess, I'd have done what I did. As I noted earlier, I really had no choice.

HAMLET

Madam, how like you this play?

QUEEN GERTRUDE

The lady protests too much, methinks.

Tyrone Slothrop

11-21-2016 01:26 PM

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.

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Originally Posted by Adder (Post 504026)

I mean, that's not super crazy, except that no one has been able to identify a single instance of such favoritism, despite unprecedented access to her emails.

Exactly. You'd want to see something like this.

Tyrone Slothrop

11-21-2016 01:29 PM

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.

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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 504029)

1. You're not considering how many GOP voters Trump lost. That's a huge #.

Cite, please.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

11-21-2016 02:24 PM

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.

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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 504038)

HAMLET

Madam, how like you this play?

QUEEN GERTRUDE

The lady protests too much, methinks.

Remember when Sebby loved Bill Clinton and wished he could vote for him for a third term?

But, you know, there's something, uh, different, about Hillary....

Tyrone Slothrop

11-21-2016 02:28 PM

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.

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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 504041)

Remember when Sebby loved Bill Clinton and wished he could vote for him for a third term?

But, you know, there's something, uh, different, about Hillary....

He really had no choice.

Somewhere I saw someone say that people think of voting as like sending a valentine, when it's really like making a chess move.

Adder

11-21-2016 02:52 PM

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.

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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 504023)

These people don't want govt intervention.

There's also something to think about in how many of these people live where the GOP has intentionally made government not work. From refusing Medicaid expansion to attacking higher education to gutting government workforces.

I'm thinking heavily about Scott Walker's Wisconsin, but Florida and Ohio and all of the deep south have people in power who don't want government to work.

ThurgreedMarshall

11-21-2016 02:54 PM

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.

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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 504042)

Somewhere I saw someone say that people think of voting as like sending a valentine, when it's really like making a chess move.

I've been trying to express this again and again. This is perfect. Everyone thinks voting is a self-affirming, cathartic act when really it should be looked at as pragmatically as possible (which is why it's called "civic duty" and not "civic pleasures").

I'm so stealing this.

TM

Tyrone Slothrop

11-21-2016 02:59 PM

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.

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Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 504044)

I stole it, so you should too.

But maybe the lesson there for Democrats is that many voters want to send valentines, not play chess.

Tyrone Slothrop

11-21-2016 03:19 PM

caption, please

https://images.newrepublic.com/3214b...&fm=pjpg&h=698

Adder

11-21-2016 03:20 PM

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.

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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 504045)

I stole it, so you should too.

But maybe the lesson there for Democrats is that many voters want to send valentines, not play chess.

Which sounds a bit like a re-hashing of the "have a beer with" test.

ThurgreedMarshall

11-21-2016 03:28 PM

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.

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Originally Posted by Adder (Post 504048)

Which sounds a bit like a re-hashing of the "have a beer with" test.

I think of it differently. These Susan Sarandon assholes think of voting as something that is self-affirming. "When you pull that lever, you should feel good about yourself. If you can't, then you shouldn't do it." Take that bullshit elsewhere. The decision you make should be one that helps you while doing the least amount of harm to other people. Period. Take your feelings out back and put them down like a two-legged rabid dog.

TM

Adder

11-21-2016 03:37 PM

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.

Something else:https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CxzFpwMUsAAEatc.jpg (link to preserve margins).

How many lost blue collar jobs were in non-metropolitan areas? Coal mines I suppose, but for the most part, that's not where factory jobs went away.

You'd think small and midsize metros might have had a high concentration of them, though.

Adder

11-21-2016 03:55 PM

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.

Richard Rorty in 1998:

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[M]embers of labor unions, and unorganized unskilled workers, will sooner or later realize that their government is not even trying to prevent wages from sinking or to prevent jobs from being exported. Around the same time, they will realize that suburban white-collar workers—themselves desperately afraid of being downsized—are not going to let themselves be taxed to provide social benefits for anyone else.

At that point, something will crack. The nonsuburban electorate will decide that the system has failed and start looking around for a strongman to vote for—someone willing to assure them that, once he is elected, the smug bureaucrats, tricky lawyers, overpaid bond salesmen, and postmodernist professors will no longer be calling the shots. A scenario like that of Sinclair Lewis’ novel It Can’t Happen Here may then be played out. For once a strongman takes office, nobody can predict what will happen. In 1932, most of the predictions made about what would happen if Hindenburg named Hitler chancellor were wildly overoptimistic.

One thing that is very likely to happen is that the gains made in the past forty years by black and brown Americans, and by homosexuals, will be wiped out. Jocular contempt for women will come back into fashion. The words [slur for an African-American that begins with “n”] and [slur for a Jewish person that begins with “k”] will once again be heard in the workplace. All the sadism which the academic Left has tried to make unacceptable to its students will come flooding back. All the resentment which badly educated Americans feel about having their manners dictated to them by college graduates will find an outlet

ThurgreedMarshall

11-21-2016 05:04 PM

Right

http://65.media.tumblr.com/c8787ebe2...c6nao1_500.jpg

TM

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