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Re: Lamest k race win ever

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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 449659)

ok. but where you can call your own fouls is a whole different thing. I'm talking about tournaments/games where fouls ain't called much. there are guys that foul on purpose, intentionally.

Well that is beyond my experience.

More importantly, should I pick up a bottle of Black Bush for my St. Pat's party, or stay away from that protestant crap?

Re: Lamest k race win ever

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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 449659)

also, it sounds like you're saying the kids you grew up with didn't call shit on each other- that's different-

90% of the time you knew when you fouled someone.

Re: Lamest k race win ever

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Originally Posted by Did you just call me Coltrane? (Post 449660)

Well that is beyond my experience.

More importantly, should I pick up a bottle of Black Bush for my St. Pat's party, or stay away from that protestant crap?

got no irish whiskey idea at all-

Re: Lamest k race win ever

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Originally Posted by Did you just call me Coltrane? (Post 449661)

90% of the time you knew when you fouled someone.

yet there are kids who feel they have never fouled anyone. odd. that you say what you're saying proves my point- I grew up the same way, I'm not criticizing.
It may simply be actual good players v. pick up players (which is what I was).

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Originally Posted by Sidd Finch (Post 448942)

For bourbon, try Booker's. It's on the sweet side but tasty. Or, make yourself a Let's Be Sidd (a drink I helped invent, with Gatti as my witness). 1.5 shots bourbon (Maker's), 3/4 shots red port, 1/4 shot vanilla syrup, 2 dashes Angostura bitters, shake, pour over ice, garnish with a cherry. Do all those steps and you will be justly rewarded.

A Let's Be Sidd sounds a little bit like a High Roller, which you can usually get at Emmy's Spaghetti Shack (assuming they have the vanilla essence behind the bar.) Most bourbon has notes of vanilla.

Another bourbon (or whiskey cocktail) would be a Stiletto: Place bourbon, amaretto, and the juice of half a lemon with ice in a cocktail shaker. Shake and then serve in an old-fashioned glass.

I'd go with bourbon or bourbon cocktails over whiskey or whiskey cocktails. And I'd go with Irish whisky over Scotch. But for Saint Patrick's Day, you could go to a more well-heeled Irish pub and ask for some Redbreast. It's an Irish whiskey aged 12 years. The Irish whiskeys tend to be sweeter and smoother than Scotch. Another route would be to have three Jameson's on the rocks in quick succession. You'll be able to see the lace curtains at your ma's house if you squint.

Re: Lamest k race win ever

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Originally Posted by Did you just call me Coltrane? (Post 449660)

Well that is beyond my experience.

More importantly, should I pick up a bottle of Black Bush for my St. Pat's party, or stay away from that protestant crap?

Middleton! Or Red Breast.

Re: Lamest k race win ever

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Originally Posted by J. Fred Muggs (Post 449635)

Times when it is rational for Adder to call Woman A

1. He finds out that he left something worth more than $200 at her house when he was fucking her.

2. He realizes in the near future that he has an STD.

Times when it is not rational for Adder to call Woman A.

1. Any time not discussed above.

2

Years ago, I was in a similar situation as Adder. There was a Woman A and a Woman B. I had sex with A. I had a date planned with B. That led to a series of red flag-filled conversations and emails with A in advance of my date with B. Unwilling to capitulate so early on, I went on the date with B and I had sex with her. The next day, A forced my hand. I chose A (and never called B again, which we'll get to later).

Here's what we can learn from my misadventures:

1. Do not ignore red flags. That is worth repeating. Do not ignore red flags. The conversations and emails I had at the beginning presaged other high-stakes emails and conversations throughout the relationship and over the precipice.

2. Do not mention other women whom you are dating.

3. Don't have any conversation about exclusivity unless you are willing and ready to be exclusive with the other person. For those not Adder, I would allow that you could have that conversation to let them know that you're not going to be exclusive (ever, or for a while, or whatever), but Adder is years away from being able to have that conversation. (No offense.)

4. Women may claim to be all about the sisterhood, but when the chips are down, they're more ruthless than gangsters. As soon as A learned about B, she wanted B out of the picture. After I went on another date with B, A wasn't content with just having B out of the picture. Lessons had to be learned. It was a female friend/wartime consigliere who suggested that I completely cut off all contact with B to placate A. Now A would have been appalled if I had even contemplated doing to her what I did to B, but she was more than happy to let it happen to a rival.

It's like the Sandman sang, before his ghost had to shill for The Man:

Sharks patrol these waters
Sharks patrol these waters
Don't let your fingers dangle in the water
And don't you worry about the day glow orange life preserver
It won't save you
It won't save you
Swim for the shores just as fast as your able
Swim like a motherfucker, swim!

Re: Lamest k race win ever

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Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 449644)

http://thequad.blogs.nytimes.com/201...se/?ref=sports

I thought it was a bit of an empty, bullshit, defensive response. And that's understandable. Grant Hill is a good person. But he's missing the fucking point. Jalen Rose is no genius. And I think he placed too much of the focus on the black players who have played for Duke. What he should have said is, Duke looks at white players first. Then, they look at elite black players who fit Coach K's mold. And that mold sure as hell is not urban, street, ghetto-type players (no matter what their grades). It's the same with most firms. Are you an Uncle Tom if you accept an offer at Wachtell* and you're the only black guy there? Of course not. But Wachtell isn't looking for black associates who aren't the absolute cream of the crop at the top of their Ivy league classes. They have the defense of saying, "We only recruit those types of associates," but we all know what that means. That means they know exactly what type of mix they're going to get and it's lilly white.

If Grant Hill had any fucking balls at all, he would question the number and type of black players that Coach K recruits. He could do that and still confirm the character of his teammates (whether we agree with him or not). But there is no way Grant Hill does that because it's easier to write a fluff piece that ignores Rose's underlying point. It's well-written, talks about family and his teammates, but avoids any criticism of self or school. And I hate to say it, but it's just the kind of piece that makes white people happy. He's one of the good ones, that Grant Hill.

TM

*And I'm using Wachtell as the generic SuperEliteBigLaw firm.

As a non-carer I am still curious: what role (if any) does it play that these are students, not just basketball players, and Duke is a private school of 6,500 and Michigan is a public university four times the size? Would we be horrified that Dartmouth recruits "gentrified" African-American students at the theoretical expense of ghetto (ick) kids, so long as it draws a respectable number of those gentrified kids to its school whether they play basketball or not? Why can't Duke choose to be a Dartmouth in its admissions -- because it plays basketball and owes it to people to put Blue Devil uniforms on the best players it can find? If it's not wrong for the admissions office to do it's not wrong for Coach K to do, right?

In other words, take "players" and change it to "students" and a lot of the air goes out of your complaints. I'm sure most people care about Duke as a basketball-entertainment-creation-device but neither Coach K nor the Duke admissions department is required to agree with that and reach out to students to whom admission would not otherwise be offered. So it comes down to whether Duke has a demographically appropriate black student population, not whether it has a basketball team that has only one "type" of player. I went to an ACC school and while I know there are complaints about the diversity profile of the Duke team I never heard they were grossly out of line with the diversity profile of the schools with which they compete for admissions. And trust me, if I could have found a way to call Duke a bunch of racist assholes I would have jumped at the chance.

I just don't see it as a valid complaint against Duke basketball that it recruits a certain type of player, when that type of player also happens to fit perfectly with an elitist admissions philosophy of the school, for good or for ill -- unless you believe a basketball coach is duty-bound to give a college dorm room to a kid who can play basketball, and the rest of the admissions process is irrelevant to those kids.

All of this is hinged on a belief that Duke's admissions are racially representative. If they're not, Duke can go fuck itself. But "Duke selects for a type of {black} {student} {athlete}" falls apart if it's possible to remove any one of the words in brackets without falsifying the statement.

Re: Lamest k race win ever

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Originally Posted by Atticus Grinch (Post 449668)

admissions tend to work with the applications that come through the front door (or web portal). D-1 basketball coaches tend to work with the kids they choose to visit. there are black basketball players in the city of Detroit who have great grades I'm sure. And for all Jalen's feelings the thing that is also true is that if Coach K had recruited Jalen he would have given the team a chance, I bet. or to say it differently, if K offered 4 Jalens a scholarship, 2 would probably take it- but he doesn't get any Jalens: hmmmmm.

Re: Lamest k race win ever

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Originally Posted by Did you just call me Coltrane? (Post 449660)

Well that is beyond my experience.

More importantly, should I pick up a bottle of Black Bush for my St. Pat's party, or stay away from that protestant crap?

If it's not Irish, IT'S CRAP!

Actual fashion post

Re: Lamest k race win ever

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Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 449644)

This part:

"In his garbled but sweeping comment that Duke recruits only “black players that were ‘Uncle Toms,’ ” Jalen seems to change the usual meaning of those very vitriolic words into his own meaning, i.e., blacks from two-parent, middle-class families. He leaves us all guessing exactly what he believes today."

is disingenuous, and soft-pedals Hill's upbringing. Webber was from a two-parent, (lower-ish?) middle-class family, but obviously not a "uncle tom" in Jalen's eyes; Hill's parents went to Yale and Wellesley. Jalen was honest about how stupid he was when he was 19--like most 19-yos are--and was doing some simplistic, stupid demonizing of the "other" and rationalizing why *he* wasn't "good enough" for Duke.

Also, how does Hill get away with "guessing exactly what he believes today" when Jalen's said that Duke would probably recruit Jalen's kids--does Hill think that Jalen thinks his own kids are "uncle toms"?

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Originally Posted by Replaced_Texan (Post 449615)

(and I'm really glad that my playa boyfriend became my irl boyfriend and I don't have to worry about this shit anymore.)

Sing it.

I don't have amusing stories anymore, but I love not having to deal with this shit.

Re: Lamest k race win ever

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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 449653)

kids out of this city play their entire school careers playing with no white kids, and against few. it seems to me they carry the bias that white kids, and black suburban kids, are soft. in a way they're right. Detroit kids are tougher (not more skilled, rougher harder meaner), although the suburban kids can play to that level, they are playing tougher since they're on a court with city kids- the city kids are playing ball the way they play all the time. they walk onto courts knowing as much.

I also feel Grant Hill is soft, he can play, but when he was the Pistons' savior he was not tough- need a big shot? don't count on it-2 free throws to ice a game? Hill will miss one.

My sense is the toughness is mostly an economic/lack of hope thing- who knows.

Jalen did say he was wrong about Laetner and Duke, so the overall thing could have been ignored by Hill-

But if Hill was to respond, I sort of think he did okay. First, as to trash talking, the number one "win" is "scoreboard" and Grant called that.

As to what Grant defended, the Fab Five guys called out Duke not by citing player racial stats over a decade, but by questioning Hill's family and heart. How does he respond to that by saying Jalen has a good point?

And understand, I am a Rose fan, and I dislike Hill, but I think you perhaps call on him to do more than he could be expected to do- the man was defending himself.

Coach K's choices? Fuck I don't know- I agree with Jalen, but I'm not sure that Grant had the ability to defend his background while calling out K (assuming grant feels the same way I do (and the way you do)).

edit: rereading you said his thing was understandable, so maybe you were making a point beyond his statement

I think you miss my point completely. Yes, it is understandable that Hill is defensive. Yes, Jalen's criticism was misdirected (and to be certain, it was misdirected as a kid when he probably thought the Grant Hill's of the world thought they were better than him because they came from good families and ended up at Duke). But Hill either ignored or is incapable of understanding the basis for the overall criticism of Krzyzewski's program and approach to recruiting.

That's my point. I understand why he felt defensive and good on him for defending himself and his teammates. But he neglected to address the aspects of Duke's program that lead to Jalen's midirected criticism. And I think he did it on purpose.

TM

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Originally Posted by Adder (Post 449547)

So, just got an email from woman A apparently "breaking up" with me for failing to come back from the date with woman B and easily choosing her. I guess that simplifies things.

Hardly. One of the two of you will reach out to the other and make this complicated.

In the interim, sleep with B as much as you can and see if there's better chemistry there. If that turns out to be the case, stick with her for a while.

And when you meet C (you will), for God's sake, don't tell her about B.