The so called "experts".
 

He's being pro-white collar-criminal. That does not qualify him as a Lefty.

The so called "experts".
 

No, his words (which he has eaten all day) were that he'd give passes (at least one, maybe two) to anyone who committed a non-violent crime. Where I come from, white collars aren't the only ones who commit non-violent crimes. Us blue collar folk may not have the edufication to do real big money crimes but we can handle a swindle or two.

The so called "experts".
 

I couldn't care less about her sex. In fact, in my view, we're way overdue for a woman president. We need a fresh perspective. And I don't care if she's a bitch.

What I care about is that she's a fucking old school tax and spend liberal parading around as a moderate.

We got burnt voting for one liar in 2000. But at least that asshole hasn't yet cost me serious cash. Hillary will try to resurrect nationalized health care and pour money into usseless programs to socially engineer the country. Fuck that. Bush is a horse's ass, but one thing he did get right is that we need to keep staring the beast. We need to keep cuitting the govt until it becomes a size that works for us, rather than acting as a fucking speedbump to all entreprenuerial endeavors in this country.

Hillary is a bureaucrat's wet dream. I believe she deep down wants to start the Great Society II. We can't afford that.

That, and only that, is the reason I loathe her.

ETA: If only Bush actually practiced what he preached re: starving the beast...

The so called "experts".
 

Not yet. Remember, law school didn't really cost you anything until after you graduated.

The so called "experts".
 

That would be a better argument if Bush actually had tried to cut government. All he's done is cut taxes. That's like starving your wife's jewelry purchasing by taking a lower-paying job.

The so called "experts".
 

You're right... I knew I forgot one important point in my earlier post. Thanks.

The so called "experts".
 

Then I suppose you'd never make a point about her weight or cankle-size, nor suggest the inevitable heinousness of her spawn , then would you, Mr. Above-Board?

The so called "experts".
 

I miss ThrashersFan. <sniff>

The so called "experts".
 

Sidd,

I gotta disagree. I think there's a sliver of Jesus Nazis and scared, sexist assholes who will mobilize into an anti-"bitch" contingent. But the majority of anti-Hillary votes will come from scared moderates who see her as one massive future tax bill.

She'll actually disprove the conventional wisdom that winning a pres race is all about money. A candidate with less money could beat her because her own ads - her own face - is an advertisement against her to so many.

She's just too damned polarizing. And she's got too many skeletons. She lowers the "morals" bar because of her husband. If McCain runs, he can pick up an otherwise unelectable Guiliani as a VP. Normally, Rudy wouldn't stand a chance because of his divorce, affair, pro-choiceness... But against Hill, as a VP to McCain - a one term president - Rudy's a fucking home run VP choice.

Who's going to beat a McCain/Rudy ticket? Not Hillary. In a sense, she'd be the best gift ever for the GOP. She'd allow the party to win without the Jesus Freaks, curing it of that "keeping the big tent together" problem its had.

Or maybe I'm just insane,
SD

The so called "experts".
 

Of course I'll make fun of her appearance... Do you recall who you're bantering with here? But what's that got to do with anything?

Here's the offending quote, proving that I dislike Hillary because she's a woman, and not for valid poliitcal reasons:

"Are you serious? Hillary has legs that belong on a piano, an ass wider than two strike zones and a face that could scare a dog off a meat wagon.

Bill may have a WC Fields cauliflower nose, but otherwise, he's a normal looking cat. Compared to his wife, he's Pierce Brosnan.

How could poor Chelsea avoid being ugly?"

The so called "experts".
 

I stand corrected. But I will point out that arguing over who read more of Sebby's posts more closely is like competing in the Special Olympics.

The so called "experts".
 

It cost me three years of sex with normal people. Can you put a present value on that?

The so called "experts".
 

The only eating taking place on the fb was your gurgling with with your well endowed albino boyfriend's member.

And if his balls are truly that color, you should have his liver checked out...

The so called "experts".
 

Hahahahahahaha. You have got to be kidding. I agree that people like you will be part of the group voting against her, but socially moderate/fiscally conservative voters will be but a small, small portion of the anti-Hillary vote. The ditto-head talk radio listeners, the O'Reilly/Scarborough viewers, the freeper-type blogosphere afficianados -- they all have a visceral hatred for her. Take the irrational hatred that Bill inspired among these folks and add to it the fact that many of these people think of Hillary as a lesbian killer, and you will see how they will react. Think of the anti-Bill fire, and add gasoline.

The idea that you, with your concern about taxes, reflect more than 10% of the people who oppose her is truly laughable. The vast right wing conspiracy will never forgive her for pointing out on national tv that the people behind the Paula Jones/Starr inquiry were, well, a vast right wing conspiracy.

John Connolly and Phil Graham. Money is needed in competitive amounts, but the guy with the most money isn't always the one who wins.

I'm with you there. I don't think that she'll make a good president, and I plan to support someone else in the primaries. I think that her experience in running the health care initiative showed that she is tone deaf, condescending, thin-skinned, and vindictive. She is not portrayed as a nice person in any of the memoirs of the administration that I have read. Sure, she's smart, and loyal, blah blah blah. Anyway, if she's the nominee, I think that she loses to almost anyone reasonably sane.

But I don't think that McCain will be the GOP nominee (a pity) because, unlike the donkeys, the GOP likes loyalists, and McCain is Not Loyal. Plus, McCain is not viewed as a conservative, and the primary voters in the GOP tend to be more to the right (just as the Dem primary voters tend to the left). And you just know that W will push for someone else, anyone else, and the party faithful will probably follow.

The so called "experts".
 

Bob,

I just don't agree that the virulent right wing is that big. I've spent some time in the red state sticks and most people talk about taxes and terrorism, not hatred of Clinton.

I think she'd lose without the lesbian-killer haters.

SD