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Hank Chinaski 12-02-2005 09:35 AM

After the Affair
 
Quote:

Originally posted by notcasesensitive
my current relationship would qualify as one in which one or both parties were in committed relationships when the relationship started,
this part gave lots of guys hope

Quote:

And, for the record, I tend to consider my relationship a success. Hopefully a long-term success.
this part crushed that hope

sebastian_dangerfield 12-02-2005 09:41 AM

I somehow
 
Quote:

Originally posted by notcasesensitive
what has he reformed? I am missing the context from the earlier post, but I thought he just got done telling us that the kid will just have to put up with the fact that his/her old man is a drunk pothead. That sounds not so reformed to me.
Re affair-started relationships, I don't think there can be any rule set down for whether they're more likely to succeed or fail. When you dig someone, you can't bear the thought of hurting them. Hence, you don't cheat. If you dig someone you met via an affair, unless you're a selfish dick, you wouldn't want to hurt that person. I think the fail/success rates of affair-started relationships would be the same as those not started from affairs.

Re my reform, I see no reason that one cannot responsibly enjoy substances while having a productive life. I get to work, I get the job done... they even promote me and other people occasionally offer me jobs elsewhere. I behave utterly normally and am able to separate my extra curricular hobbies from my work and sensible management of my personal life. So what "reform" do I - or the millions like me (90% of the people here) - need? I find people who modify their behavior and give up the fun things in life just because "now I am a responsible [parent, married person, professional, etc...] silly. Why? Are you too fucking stupid to be able manage getting yer ya yas out while at the same time paying the mortgage and making sure the kids are breathing?

Shit, Hank even keeps it all together!

greatwhitenorthchick 12-02-2005 09:47 AM

Geography for Canadians
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Fugee
Iowa is below Minnesota (in more ways than one). And if, despite the presence of the wacky Minnesotans here, you have no idea where Minnesota is, it is just south of Manitoba!
Thank you Fugee! I have actually been to Minnesota, so I know where it is. But now I will cross Iowa off my list of wtf states.

greatwhitenorthchick 12-02-2005 09:49 AM

After the Affair
 
Quote:

Originally posted by soup sandwich
Smug non-married.
We have established that the correct term is uber-smug divorcee. It flows off the tongue better.

Did you just call me Coltrane? 12-02-2005 10:00 AM

I somehow
 
Quote:

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Re my reform, I see no reason that one cannot responsibly enjoy substances while having a productive life. I get to work, I get the job done... they even promote me and other people occasionally offer me jobs elsewhere. I behave utterly normally and am able to separate my extra curricular hobbies from my work and sensible management of my personal life. So what "reform" do I - or the millions like me (90% of the people here) - need? I find people who modify their behavior and give up the fun things in life just because "now I am a responsible [parent, married person, professional, etc...] silly. Why? Are you too fucking stupid to be able manage getting yer ya yas out while at the same time paying the mortgage and making sure the kids are breathing?
Dad?

ETA: I'm serious. This sounds just like my dad.

notcasesensitive 12-02-2005 10:37 AM

After the Affair
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Sparklehorse
I think you forgot a principal reason why relationships born from affairs have troubles: When at least one party has demonstrated the capacity to lie and cheat (by having an affair), it has an effect on trust in the new relationship. I would think this would be more severe with the breaking of marital vows but I'm not sure.

My best friend's current marriage is the product of an affair. They were both married before and have children from their respective first marriages. Her husband is currently engaged in one of the world's ugliest custody battles with his ex-wife. ALL the dirty laundry is being laid out in legal documents. We haven't discussed this recently, but a few months ago, she mentioned (very casually) that she thinks her husband is having an affair. It's like it's to be expected under the circumstances.
oh, for the record, the trust issue stuff was part of the "baggage" that was in my first reason for potential problems.

notcasesensitive 12-02-2005 10:39 AM

I somehow
 
Quote:

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Re my reform, I see no reason that one cannot responsibly enjoy substances while having a productive life. I get to work, I get the job done... they even promote me and other people occasionally offer me jobs elsewhere. I behave utterly normally and am able to separate my extra curricular hobbies from my work and sensible management of my personal life. So what "reform" do I - or the millions like me (90% of the people here) - need? I find people who modify their behavior and give up the fun things in life just because "now I am a responsible [parent, married person, professional, etc...] silly. Why? Are you too fucking stupid to be able manage getting yer ya yas out while at the same time paying the mortgage and making sure the kids are breathing?

Shit, Hank even keeps it all together!
Preaching to the [never been in the] choir, man. But you probably knew that.

dtb 12-02-2005 10:39 AM

After the Affair
 
Quote:

Originally posted by notcasesensitive
Here's a question for our crack lawtalkers community:

I was talking with a friend about success rates for relationships that start out as affairs (assuming the person in the marriage/committed relationship ultimately chooses the new relationship, as opposed to the pre-existing one). I had heard, though I don't know where, that the long-term success rate* for those relationships is lower than the long-term success rate for relationships that start when neither party is in a committed relationship. My friend disagreed.

The reasons I had heard for the lowered success rate ranged from - (i) baggage brought into the relationship by the time both parties are free to commit to the new relationship, (ii) desire for joys of singlehood once out of long-term committed relationship that was broken up, (iii) people placing too much value on new relationship (and person in it), as opposed to facing the other problems with the existing relationship, and (iv) the excitement of the illicit relationship doesn't translate into daily life once it is no longer illicit.

Anyone know the answer to this or have anecdotal evidence they want to share?

I was going to post this as a RoTAF because my current relationship would qualify as one in which one or both parties were in committed relationships when the relationship started, but then I realized that I don't really care if you people know that. So there.

And, for the record, I tend to consider my relationship a success. Hopefully a long-term success. Whatever that means.




*whatever "long-term success rate" means (I'm really not sure of this, but I guess for my questions, I'll say that means the new relationship lasts 5 years or more)

Anectodal evidence:

Of the people I know who got divorced where someone was involved in a "new" relationship at the time of divorce:

brother - new relationship lasted 9 years
friend - her ex-husband married his paramour and are still married
friend's father - married his paramour - still married 15 years later
friend -- married his paramour - still married 14 years later
friend - involved in new relationship (but not married) 4 years now

In fact, I can't think of a divorced couple I know where one party was involved in a new relationship where the party invovled with another person didn't end up in the new relationship for quite some time. I know people who got divorced and there was no "other" relationship at the time of divorce, but for those where there was another person involved, the new person remained in the picture.

Of course, one's circle of acquaintance is never a reliable scientific sample, but that's my anectodal experience.

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 12-02-2005 10:51 AM

After the Affair
 
Quote:

Originally posted by greatwhitenorthchick
We have established that the correct term is uber-smug divorcee. It flows off the tongue better.
It flows less well than über-smug divorcée.

[edited to correct dictation. you can't get good help these days.]

greatwhitenorthchick 12-02-2005 10:54 AM

After the Affair
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
It flows less well that über-smug divorcée.
You are the king of umlauts and accents egoue (sp?).

Can you do accents grave as well? How about circumflexes and cedilles? That would be totally hot.

Did you just call me Coltrane? 12-02-2005 10:55 AM

After the Affair
 
Quote:

Originally posted by dtb
Of course, one's circle of acquaintance is never a reliable scientific sample, but that's my anectodal experience.
This sentence should be the disclaimer for each one of Sebby's posts.

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 12-02-2005 11:00 AM

After the Affair
 
Quote:

Originally posted by greatwhitenorthchick
You are the king of umlauts and accents egoue (sp?).

Can you do accents grave as well? How about circumflexes and cedilles? That would be totally hot.
Mais bien sûr.

Ça va?

Did you just call me Coltrane? 12-02-2005 11:05 AM

After the Affair
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
Mais bien sûr.

Ça va?
Dude, you're totally going to get laid.

Hank Chinaski 12-02-2005 11:13 AM

After the Affair
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Did you just call me Coltrane?
Dude, you're totally going to get laid.
When you were a kid, for entertainment at your birthday parties, did your dad ever knock over pop bottles with his dick?

str8outavannuys 12-02-2005 11:25 AM

After the Affair
 
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Originally posted by Did you just call me Coltrane?
Dude, you're totally going to get laid.
I'd do him. I'd just close my eyes and pretend he was Mlle. Desmarais, my smokin hot 6th grade french immersion teacher.

greatwhitenorthchick 12-02-2005 11:31 AM

After the Affair
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
Mais bien sûr.

Ça va?
Fantastique! Ausgezeichnet!

Replaced_Texan 12-02-2005 11:36 AM

Holy shit! Squirrel pack devours dog in Russia.
Quote:

A "big" stray dog was nosing about the trees and barking at squirrels hiding in branches overhead when a number of them suddenly descended and attacked, reports say.

"They literally gutted the dog," local journalist Anastasia Trubitsina told Komsomolskaya Pravda newspaper.

"When they saw the men, they scattered in different directions, taking pieces of their kill away with them."
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/image...quirrel203.jpg
Motherfucker looks evil, doesn't he?


The Puppy (yeah, I know, she's two, but if you met her, you'd think of her as a puppy too) feels it is her sacred duty to protect my yard from squirrels. I may have to show her this article and persuade her that perhaps her vigilance isn't necessary. On the upside, it looks like there are plenty of pecans to eat (and bury in my flowerpots), so she may be safe this year.

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 12-02-2005 11:47 AM

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Originally posted by Replaced_Texan


http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/image...quirrel203.jpg
Motherfucker looks evil, doesn't he?

But this one looks sweet and cuddly, right?

http://www.sens.ee.saga-u.ac.jp/waku...a/squirrel.jpg

ltl/fb 12-02-2005 11:53 AM

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Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
But this one looks sweet and cuddly, right?

http://www.sens.ee.saga-u.ac.jp/waku...a/squirrel.jpg
Racist fucks, both of you.

ABBAKiss 12-02-2005 11:57 AM

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Originally posted by ltl/fb
Racist fucks, both of you.
I think this is why I am not an animal lover. No matter what, all animals seem like rats or mice to me. Squirrels, for example, are just rats with bushy tails. I don't want to cuddle with rats.

spookyfish 12-02-2005 12:00 PM

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Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
Holy shit! Squirrel pack devours dog in Russia.

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/image...quirrel203.jpg
Motherfucker looks evil, doesn't he?
Are those really bad squirrel teeth, or is that dog flesh hanging from its mouth?

ABBAKiss 12-02-2005 12:07 PM

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Originally posted by spookyfish
Are those really bad squirrel teeth, or is that dog flesh hanging from its mouth?
Can we stop posting photos of rats please.

Replaced_Texan 12-02-2005 12:09 PM

continuing to fill in for NFH during her sabbatical
 
Samsung has a phone that helps women keep track of when they're ovulating.

bold_n_brazen 12-02-2005 12:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by spookyfish
Are those really bad squirrel teeth, or is that dog flesh hanging from its mouth?
That squirrel is from West Virginia, Virgil.

Sparklehorse 12-02-2005 12:14 PM

Salon.com
 
It seems like a number of people here are regular readers of Salon. Is it just me or does it seem to have gone downhill since the new editor took over and the site was redesigned?

Replaced_Texan 12-02-2005 12:16 PM

Falalala LAlalala
 
One last NFH link and I'll stop.

You can talk about how naughty or nice you've been with hunky Santa at the Beverly Center in LA !

And you can bring in your pet squirrel to ask for nuts on Mondays!

I trust you LA folk will investigate and report back.

spookyfish 12-02-2005 12:17 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ABBAKiss
Can we stop posting photos of rats please.
http://www.filmrot.com/images/willard2.jpg


Happy Friday.

ltl/fb 12-02-2005 12:27 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ABBAKiss
I think this is why I am not an animal lover. No matter what, all animals seem like rats or mice to me. Squirrels, for example, are just rats with bushy tails. I don't want to cuddle with rats.
Squirrels actually have the icky tails. If you get close enough, you can see it through the fluffy fur.

bold_n_brazen 12-02-2005 12:31 PM

Attention! dtb! Look this way!
 
The Superficial is hiring an EDITOR!

http://www.thesuperficial.com/archiv...ring_an_e.html

This is so your job.

Replaced_Texan 12-02-2005 12:31 PM

Salon.com
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Sparklehorse
It seems like a number of people here are regular readers of Salon. Is it just me or does it seem to have gone downhill since the new editor took over and the site was redesigned?
I hate, hate, hate the new format. I find it impossible to find anything that's more than a few days old, and I'm still not sure where the movie reviews are (not that I've ever agreed with anything that Stephanie Zacharek on anything).

taxwonk 12-02-2005 12:37 PM

Why life ends at 36. (PB Cross-Post!)
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Gattigap
I was torn about which board to post this on, given that the quote is from conservative luminary John Derbyshire:
  • Did I buy, or browse, a copy of the November 17 GQ, in order to get a look at Jennifer Aniston's bristols? No, I didn't. While I have no doubt that Ms. Aniston is a paragon of charm, wit, and intelligence, she is also 36 years old. Even with the strenuous body-hardening exercise routines now compulsory for movie stars, at age 36 the forces of nature have won out over the view-worthiness of the unsupported female bust.

    It is, in fact, a sad truth about human life that beyond our salad days, very few of us are interesting to look at in the buff. Added to that sadness is the very unfair truth that a woman's salad days are shorter than a man's — really, in this precise context, only from about 15 to 20. The Nautilus and the treadmill can add a half decade or so, but by 36 the bloom is definitely off the rose.

Poor, poor, dumbshit Republican. If there's a Mrs. Derbyshire, I give 50/50 odds that John won't see the morning.
How bright can the lad possibly be if he can't draw the blatant connection between celebrity, fame, wealth and cosmetic surgery? Perhaps it would be best if Mrs. Derbyshire did him in, from a Darwinist perspective. Thinning the herd and whatnot.

taxwonk 12-02-2005 12:39 PM

Buttsex Buttsex Buttsex (hi str8!)
 
Quote:

Originally posted by ironweed
In the abstract?
I didn't know that abstract was a euphemism for butthole.

Nut Case, Sensitive 12-02-2005 12:44 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
Holy shit! Squirrel pack devours dog in Russia.

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/image...quirrel203.jpg
Motherfucker looks evil, doesn't he?


The Puppy (yeah, I know, she's two, but if you met her, you'd think of her as a puppy too) feels it is her sacred duty to protect my yard from squirrels. I may have to show her this article and persuade her that perhaps her vigilance isn't necessary. On the upside, it looks like there are plenty of pecans to eat (and bury in my flowerpots), so she may be safe this year.
Once, just once, we do the dog and everyone thinks it's a big deal. How many dogs have shredded squirrels? Do we not bleed?

Nuts! NUTS!

Nut Case, Sensitive 12-02-2005 12:45 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ABBAKiss
I think this is why I am not an animal lover. No matter what, all animals seem like rats or mice to me. Squirrels, for example, are just rats with bushy tails. I don't want to cuddle with rats.
Do you know what we can do with those tails?

NUTS!

ltl/fb 12-02-2005 12:46 PM

Attention! dtb! Look this way!
 
Quote:

Originally posted by bold_n_brazen
The Superficial is hiring an EDITOR!

http://www.thesuperficial.com/archiv...ring_an_e.html

This is so your job.
God I love The Superficial. And I always forget how much. And some wonderful person on here never fails to post a link periodically to make my day.

Kumbaya.

Hank Chinaski 12-02-2005 12:51 PM

Buttsex Buttsex Buttsex (hi str8!)
 
Quote:

Originally posted by taxwonk
I didn't know that abstract was a euphemism for butthole.
Wonk. This was intentional? Even you can't whiff this badly.

taxwonk 12-02-2005 12:57 PM

Buttsex Buttsex Buttsex (hi str8!)
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Wonk. This was intentional? Even you can't whiff this badly.
Explain how you could possibly have read this as a whiff. Even you can't be that obtuse.

ltl/fb 12-02-2005 01:03 PM

Ricky Martin wanted to date RT's sister?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by ltl/fb
God I love The Superficial. And I always forget how much. And some wonderful person on here never fails to post a link periodically to make my day.

Kumbaya.
http://www.thesuperficial.com/archiv..._pee_on_p.html

Hank Chinaski 12-02-2005 01:08 PM

Ricky Martin wanted to date RT's sister?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by ltl/fb
http://www.thesuperficial.com/archiv..._pee_on_p.html
who cares about hispanic singers?

Alex_de_Large 12-02-2005 01:08 PM

Clinton Portis
 
Giving Ron Artest a run for the title of Craziest Motherfucker Around.


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