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SlaveNoMore 04-03-2003 12:46 PM

For the love of God
 
Quote:

bilmore
Ozzie as The Source Of All?
I cannot believe I have to come out of my self-imposed exile to remind you of this, yet again -

0zzY with a "Y"

not7y(like DS with her use of "loose" - sheesh)S

JustForFun 04-03-2003 12:47 PM

In defense of Elvis
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Pretty Little Flower
I don't disagree. I just wanted to call JFF bland, because despite my repeated offers to sex her up, she does not even acknowledge my existence. I think she has used the ignore feature on me. Bitch. Super hot, perky-breasted, lithe and well-toned bodied bitch. The more aloof she is, the more determined I am to make her love me. In a purely physical sense.
Sorry, wasn't trying to ignore you. I don't ignore anyone 'cept Gardener, that is. I just get so many offers for sex from men that I have become de-sentisized to them.

I am taken. I have a hottie b/f who likes to see me naked.

JustForFun 04-03-2003 12:50 PM

In defense of Elvis
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Oliver_Wendell_Ramone
Which bands were, in turn, largely playing Sabbath through a punk rock lens.
You give Sabbath too much credit. Sabbath is/was overrated. Ozzy is dead.

bilmore 04-03-2003 12:51 PM

For the love of God
 
Quote:

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
I cannot believe I have to come out of my self-imposed exile to remind you of this, yet again -

0zzY with a "Y"

It's the onlie way I can get you to post.

purse junkie 04-03-2003 12:51 PM

In defense of Elvis
 
Quote:

Originally posted by JustForFun
Sorry, wasn't trying to ignore you. I don't ignore anyone 'cept Gardener, that is. I just get so many offers for sex from men that I have become de-sentisized to them.

I am taken. I have a hottie b/f who likes to see me naked.

Thank God. Since he's appropriately occupied worshipping at the Altar of You, can you please quit harpin' on your perfection to the rest of us, Aphrodite?

bilmore 04-03-2003 12:54 PM

In defense of Elvis
 
Quote:

Originally posted by JustForFun
I just get so many offers for sex from men that I have become de-sentisized to them.
When they say "fuck off", I don't think they're making an offer.

(Never would have said that until you maligned Sabbath.)

JustForFun 04-03-2003 12:59 PM

In defense of Elvis
 
Quote:

Originally posted by bilmore
When they say "fuck off", I don't think they're making an offer.

(Never would have said that until you maligned Sabbath.)

Well, they aren't so uncouth as to come right out and ask me for sex. They just are always trying to be around me and ask me to lunch/dinner and to go places with them and buy me things. I just assume that it is because they want sex, but maybe I am too cynical.

SlaveNoMore 04-03-2003 01:01 PM

Heresy
 
Quote:

JustForFun
You give Sabbath too much credit. Sabbath is/was overrated.
How dare you! Are you truly fucking insane?

Being an annoying, verbose troll is one thing - but maligning one of the top 5 most important bands of the last 40 years is another.

not7y( :wtf: )S

paigowprincess 04-03-2003 01:02 PM

In defense of Elvis
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Oliver_Wendell_Ramone
My point? Just that early on, Elvis rawked, and was doing a whole lot more than watering down blues and gospel.

And STP were more a flat rip off than watered-down anything. Pearl Jam, otoh, became popular by watering down lots of more interesting stuff that was going on in the great NW (e.g. Green River, which Gossard and Ament were actually in, Mudhoney, early Soundgarden, Melvins, Nirvana). Which bands were, in turn, largely playing Sabbath through a punk rock lens.

Ollie (don't get me started on the late 80s NW music scene) Ramone

You are my own personal married poster who lives somewhere I never go who I assume is hot based on his great posts who I would definitely cyberstalk and otherwise generally try to contact all the time if I were sunny bunny. You rawk.

JustForFun 04-03-2003 01:04 PM

In defense of Elvis
 
Quote:

Originally posted by purse junkie
can you please quit harpin' on your perfection to the rest of us, Aphrodite?
Hey, the only bodies I have talked about today are E/O's MIL ass, which apparently spends too much time sitting on the couch, Melissa Rivers' supposedly fake boobs that look disasterously real, and Carmen Electra/Pamela Anderson Lee Kid Rock's high riders.

It is the rest of you that keep bringing up my body. Fine with me. Keep up the good work, people! :D

kafka_esquire 04-03-2003 01:04 PM

In defense of Elvis
 
Quote:

Originally posted by bilmore butler
When they say "fuck off", I don't think they're making an offer.

(Never would have said that until you maligned Sabbath.)

BB, didn't you play bass for them?

str8outavannuys 04-03-2003 01:05 PM

I wish I was a little bit taller....I wish I was a baller
 
Quote:

Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall
Interesting. I don't see much of a difference at all. You like to over-generalize by saying "genre," but when I see someone convert someone else's style as best they can, that seems more dishonest. For example, Gauguin might not have reproduced actual pieces by Tahitian artists, but in my opinion, his work after his stay there is less "influenced by" and more "stolen from" Tahitians. Skeelo (in this case) is not implying that he is the genius behind that particular line. He picked it out BECAUSE it was recognizable.

And I can't speak to Skeelo's exact "stolen" stanza, but you can't really call it thievery when artists now get permission and pay the original artist an arm and a leg for each sample.

I think rap music is creative in that it takes bits and pieces of all types of music and transforms it into something new. I believe that's the very definition of postmodern. I also think it's not so unique a practice among black people who have historically had to make do with less resources. Can't afford to form a band? No instruments? No problem. Two turntables and a microphone. Create some beats, find a sample and get to it.

TM

A pro pos of nothing, don't you think that the eight bars of synth-violin before the opening lyric of (and elsewhere throughout) Eurythmics' "Sweet Dreams (Are Made Of This)" would be an outstanding beat for someone to sample? I should be a producer, I swear. What other classics are out there waiting to be sampled?

str(The Neptunes ain't got NOTHIN on me)8.

JustForFun 04-03-2003 01:07 PM

Heresy
 
Quote:

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
How dare you! Are you truly fucking insane?

Being an annoying, verbose troll is one thing - but maligning one of the top 5 most important bands of the last 40 years is another.

not7y( :wtf: )S

Hi rapist wannabe, haven't seen you around in awhile.

You know the members of those "top 5 most important bands of the last 40 years"? They call people like you, the "little people." But keep defending them. They are laughing AT you all the way to the bank. I am sure they appreciate it.

kafka_esquire 04-03-2003 01:09 PM

A Romeo's Void?
 
Quote:

What other classics are out there waiting to be sampled?
Try here for sheet music with virtually no copyright issues whatsoever: http://scriptorium.lib.duke.edu/sheetmusic/

str8outavannuys 04-03-2003 01:12 PM

Movie recommendations?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by evenodds
Ours started dubbed, too. It took a little while but we found the subtitles.

Why do they dub movies?

I think the dubbing sometimes enhances the movie-going experience. John Woo's "The Killer" is far superior dubbed (and I've seen each 5+ times); I love Chow and Sally Yeh's bizarre british accents. For some reason, the jump-cut to Chow Yun Fat opening the door playing harmonica (after hearing what we assume to be non-diagetic background harmonica music for about 5 seconds) is just not as funny in the subtitled version.

Str(I could talk about The Killer all day, really I could)8.

paigowprincess 04-03-2003 01:12 PM

For the love of God
 
Quote:

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
I cannot believe I have to come out of my self-imposed exile to remind you of this, yet again -

0zzY with a "Y"

not7y(like DS with her use of "loose" - sheesh)S

First off, this was funnie

Second, why the self imposed exile? Didnt you do a lot of work to get this going? why not help keep it going by throwing in your oft funny commentary? Obviously you are lurking so its not like you are afraid of being caught surfing here or allt he time it takes to follwo the boards. Surely you are past the SI style goodbye and all the attendant, please dont go we love you bullshit (except this post). And you know that you are probably not gonna get huge rounds of welcome back, long time no see, the board was empty without you, bc nobody does that anymore.

SO whats the point? You dont want to have a huge number of posts like me and Francis? WHo gives a shit? Does it really matter in the grand scheme of things? Isnt the whole point of being here to entertain yourself?

Atticus Grinch 04-03-2003 01:22 PM

I wish I was a little bit taller....I wish I was a baller
 
Re: the propriety of quoting lyrics and riffs, popular dance music has been doing that farther back than people even thought that music was entitled to copyright protection. Soloists in Dixieland jazz bands could get a cheap rise out of a dance hall crowd by throwing in a improvisational lick from popular song B while riffing on popular song A. The artist didn't have any sense of responsibility for whether every single listener realized it was a quotation, because music doesn't have footnotes. In that sense, sampling and plagiarism has a proud history that predates recorded music.

To put it into your generation's terms, BB, don't condemn the Beatles for throwing that cut from La Marseillaise before "All You Need Is Love." Even if your comrades fought and died while singing that song on the battlements of Paris.

Pretty Little Flower 04-03-2003 01:29 PM

I'm not trying to hear that, see?
 
What's your man got to do with me?

Quote:

Originally posted by JustForFun
Sorry, wasn't trying to ignore you. I don't ignore anyone 'cept Gardener, that is. I just get so many offers for sex from men that I have become de-sentisized to them.

I am taken. I have a hottie b/f who likes to see me naked.

Taken, shmaken. Do you really think your hottie boyfriend is going to mean anything to you once I come to town? You are mine. Maybe not right now. Maybe not tomorrow. But soon. In fact, I think I have some "depos" scheduled for your neck of the woods real soon. You can put on some Elvis. I'll wear a G.I. uniform. We'll fuck like animals.

evenodds 04-03-2003 01:31 PM

I wish I was a little bit taller....I wish I was a baller
 
Quote:

Originally posted by str8outavannuys
What other classics are out there waiting to be sampled?
I am not sure where the market is headed, but I prefer something more unusual to my ear mixed in to a track.

I have been hearing a lot of interesting tracks built on tropical and african beats and mixed into house. My favorite beat last year was DJ Quik's Addictive beat built on the Indian sample (that someone really should have checked and cleared first).

bilmore 04-03-2003 01:34 PM

I wish I was a little bit taller....I wish I was a baller
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Atticus Grinch
In that sense, sampling and plagiarism has a proud history that predates recorded music.
So, almost the world's oldest profession, but not quite?



Quote:

Originally posted by Atticus Grinch
Even if your comrades fought and died while singing that song on the battlements of Paris.
Actually, your posting brings back memories of Bull Run.

SlaveNoMore 04-03-2003 01:35 PM

Lurking in the Shadows
 
Quote:

paigowprincess
why the self imposed exile?
Nothing big - mainly because (a) I've been spending my free time trying to learn the ins and outs of this Board's code, (b) I've haven't had much to add to the conversation - although at some point I guess I should lob out there that I definitely dig Kim Carlson, and (c) I'm sick as a dog, yet again.

not7yS

Pretty Little Flower 04-03-2003 01:35 PM

I wish I was a little bit taller....I wish I was a baller
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Atticus Grinch
Re: the propriety of quoting lyrics and riffs, popular dance music has been doing that farther back than people even thought that music was entitled to copyright protection. Soloists in Dixieland jazz bands could get a cheap rise out of a dance hall crowd by throwing in a improvisational lick from popular song B while riffing on popular song A. The artist didn't have any sense of responsibility for whether every single listener realized it was a quotation, because music doesn't have footnotes. In that sense, sampling and plagiarism has a proud history that predates recorded music.

To put it into your generation's terms, BB, don't condemn the Beatles for throwing that cut from La Marseillaise before "All You Need Is Love." Even if your comrades fought and died while singing that song on the battlements of Paris.

I had a long post to Bilmore discussing the tendency of bebop artists to quote melodies from other songs in their solos, to quote each others solos in their solos, about how popular riffs from solos ended up being melodies to entirely new songs which had the same chord structure as the underlying tune (and which became standards in their own right), and in which the soloist would often quote the underlying tune in his solo as an inside reference to those in the know. It was a masterpiece of a post, but the computer ate it.

JustForFun 04-03-2003 01:37 PM

I'm not trying to hear that, see?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Pretty Little Flower
What's your man got to do with me?
I don't like lying and he doesn't like sharing. In all fairness, I don't like sharing either. We're into monogamy.

Flinty_McFlint 04-03-2003 01:38 PM

I wish I was a little bit taller....I wish I was a baller
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Atticus Grinch
Re: the propriety of quoting lyrics and riffs, popular dance music has been doing that farther back than people even thought that music was entitled to copyright protection. Soloists in Dixieland jazz bands could get a cheap rise out of a dance hall crowd by throwing in a improvisational lick from popular song B while riffing on popular song A. The artist didn't have any sense of responsibility for whether every single listener realized it was a quotation, because music doesn't have footnotes. In that sense, sampling and plagiarism has a proud history that predates recorded music.

To put it into your generation's terms, BB, don't condemn the Beatles for throwing that cut from La Marseillaise before "All You Need Is Love." Even if your comrades fought and died while singing that song on the battlements of Paris.

That's so true. I was listening to my Justin Timberlake CD this week, and damn, I'm not sure, but I think it sounds a lot like NYSYNC's second album, with a little Michael Jackson from the 80's and early Backstreet Boys (before they sold out) thrown in. I can't tell if it's just an homage or out and out theft.

:p

paigowprincess 04-03-2003 01:39 PM

Lurking in the Shadows
 
Quote:

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Nothing big - mainly because (a) I've been spending my free time trying to learn the ins and outs of this Board's code, (b) I've haven't had much to add to the conversation - although at some point I guess I should lob out there that I definitely dig Kim Carlson, and (c) I'm sick as a dog, yet again.

not7yS

Sorry you are sick. You always get sick. What the dilly-o>

and who is kim carlson?

SlaveNoMore 04-03-2003 01:39 PM

Sock for a Man
 
Quote:

JustForFun
Hi rapist wannabe
I would call you a stupid cunt - but that would infer that (a) you were actually a woman and (b) thus be offended by such a comment.

Since you (a) are not and (b) won't be - I won't bother.

Rather, I'll just pat you on the head and say "keep up the good schtick"

not7yS

SlaveNoMore 04-03-2003 01:42 PM

Lurking in the Shadows
 
Quote:

Originally posted by paigowprincess
and who is kim carlson?
Caldwell. Carlson. Calvin Coolidge. Whatever.

not7y(clearly not an AI person)S

Pretty Little Flower 04-03-2003 01:43 PM

I wish I was a little bit taller....I wish I was a baller
 
Quote:

Originally posted by evenodds
I am not sure where the market is headed, but I prefer something more unusual to my ear mixed in to a track.

I have been hearing a lot of interesting tracks built on tropical and african beats and mixed into house. My favorite beat last year was DJ Quik's Addictive beat built on the Indian sample (that someone really should have checked and cleared first).

This is practically outable, because I am so obsessed with this music these days, but you have to check out Six Degrees Records (and to a lesser extent Quango Records) for some excellent mixes of traditional world music and electronica. The results are not always brilliant, and sometimes are terrible, but there is some great great stuff out there.

bilmore 04-03-2003 01:44 PM

I wish I was a little bit taller....I wish I was a baller
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Pretty Little Flower
It was a masterpiece of a post, but the computer ate it.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. If my aunt had balls, . . .

(This'll all teach me to use a throwaway joke line with TM.)

I do understand that the entire course of musical expression has been a building, growing thing, with each new step based on the last, and with very few actual different combinations available. That's why I mentioned that Clapton never played an original riff. I just saw a qualitative difference between all of that subtle connection and using two lines of the exact words written by someone else in your ow song. But, hey, everybody does it, right?

paigowprincess 04-03-2003 01:45 PM

Sock for a Man
 
Quote:

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
I would call you a stupid cunt - but that would infer that (a) you were actually a woman and (b) thus be offended by such a comment.

Since you (a) are not and (b) won't be - I won't bother.

Rather, I'll just pat you on the head and say "keep up the good schtick"

not7yS

I gotta agree withSlave. To call someone a wannabe rapist is just not approprate. Penske, you have finally gone too far with this sock.

JustForFun 04-03-2003 01:45 PM

Sock for a Man
 
Quote:

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
More violence against women in the form of sex by the rapist wannabe
Rapist wannabe, you know penicillin might treat what is ailin' ya, unless you caught one of the resistant asian strains, that is. Bet that yellowy discharge sure puts a damper on your love life.

You might want to think about getting tested if you are getting sick all the time, ya know what I mean?

sebastian_dangerfield 04-03-2003 01:49 PM

I wish I was a little bit taller....I wish I was a baller
 
Quote:

Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall
You are an idiot without the benefit of even one rational thought in your head.

I never said Elvis and other white artists weren't creative. I was asking Bilmore what the difference was between his type of "theft" and sampling. In fact, if there was any connection between what you read and what you understand, you would have seen that I put both types of "stealing" in pretty much the same category. Thus my question: what's the difference?

And your conclusion that Elvis improved upon a style is 100% subjective.

It is clear that you are a troll or an annoying sock (which is why your name is "justforfun") and therefore not worth my time or attention.

Thurgreed(if you post and no one can read it because you're being ignored, is it really a post?)Marshall

TM/JFF/Whoever,

The difference between theft and sampling is like that old judge said about porn... "I don't know how to define it, but I know it when I see it."

The Beasties, Eric B and Rakim, BDP, PE... that's sampling.

Dre, Snoop... that's liberally using PFunk and seventies funk influences, and improving on the grooves.

Puff Daddy and that new Eminem song (Dream On)... that's theft. And bad theft. I have yet to see a single redeeming piece of work by P Diddy - he sucks completely in every possible respect.

S(fuck P Diddy)D

Tyrone Slothrop 04-03-2003 01:55 PM

It's not like you're his property.
 
Quote:

Originally posted by JustForFun
I am taken. I have a hottie b/f who likes to see me naked.
I am astonished that you, of all enlightened people, would subscribe to the patriarchal norms of monogamy. Liberate yourself already! PLF is waiting to help!

Tyrone Slothrop 04-03-2003 02:01 PM

The Believer
 
Here's an article in Salon about The Believer, the new Eggers/McSweeney's magazine that I was asking about a few days ago. I still haven't seen it, but I'll pick it up if I do. You may have to do the free subscription thing to read the article.

http://www.salon.com/books/review/20...ever/story.jpg

edited to fix tags

JustForFun 04-03-2003 02:01 PM

It's not like you're his property.
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Tyrone_Slothrop
I am astonished that you, of all enlightened people, would subscribe to the patriarchal norms of monogamy. Liberate yourself already! PLF is waiting to help!
Since, for much of the history of civilization, women were never given much say in how our societies were organized, I have no doubt that monogomay was instituted as a social norm by men. However, even to this day, women really like it too. Probably even more than men like it.

Honestly, I don't want other men. I am really into my b/f. I don't even really notice other men that way. Perhaps if my b/f starts to get flabby, things would change. But as things stand now, I am hot for him and he is hot for me.

Jack Manfred 04-03-2003 02:04 PM

Dumb Dumb Dumb
 
Quote:

Originally posted by kafka_esquire
w/r/t: "6. Quai des Orfèvres (re-release)", does that translate to "Why the Ovaries (re-release)?"
Quai des Orfèvres is the location of a French police station. It's kinda like Scotland Yard. Any film (from 1947!) where a blonde lesbian photographer has a crush on a brunette dancehall singer (who is the director's mistress in real life) should have something more to offer fashionistas than ovary jokes.

Jack Manfred

sebastian_dangerfield 04-03-2003 02:04 PM

In defense of Elvis
 
Quote:

Originally posted by JustForFun
You give Sabbath too much credit. Sabbath is/was overrated. Ozzy is dead.
Black Sabbath is up there - way up there. A shade behind the monsters like Floyd, Hendrix, Stones, etc. Sabbath may seem campy and ludicrous at times, but they invented modern rock... 33 years ago. EVERYTHING you hear on AOR radio these days owes a debt to Sabbath. People look at their ridiculous behavior and Ozzy's terrible post-Sabbath shtick as indicative of what sabbath was. That's a mistake - if you go back and listen to Vol IV, Sabbath Bloody Sabbath and Master of Reality, you'll hear the blueprint for the Pumpkins, Pearl Jam, Soundgarden, Rage, etc...

S(whether modern rock is a good thing is another question)D

Alex_de_Large 04-03-2003 02:08 PM

It's not like you're his property.
 
Quote:

I am hot for him and he is hot for me.

And I am hot for teacher...

http://www.classicvanhalen.com/image...ics/vh-bk5.jpg

sebastian_dangerfield 04-03-2003 02:17 PM

In defense of Elvis
 
Quote:

Originally posted by JustForFun

I am taken. I have a hottie b/f who likes to see me naked.
What other kind of b/f is there?

S(You think anyone would continue fucking someone they didn't like to see naked?)D





code. e/o

sebastian_dangerfield 04-03-2003 02:25 PM

Melissa Rivers' Boobs
 
... are like putting a hood ornament of a Pacer.

S(if anything, they highlight the ugliness around them)D

PS: Why is it that we accept these talentless ugly children of celebs as heirs to the thrones of their folks? Joan is uglier than a bag of assholes, but she is funny. Her daughter does even play a good straight man for Joan - Melissa comes off like some dim child who's sitter was sick, so mommy took her to work for the day. Enrique Iglesias?


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