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Tyrone Slothrop 03-12-2019 01:09 PM

Re: Doesn’t Matter Who Wins the K Race; We’re All the Same
 
Why Trump cheats at golf.

sebastian_dangerfield 03-12-2019 01:13 PM

Re: Downward Departures for Gout
 
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Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 521395)
He seems like a wherever-and-whenever-he-can-get-it, kind of guy, no? If Melania is at Mar-a-Lago, take a quick trip to the spa. If he's in Russia, send some prostitutes to his room. If he's at an event with a porn star, see if he can hook that up. If he's near a teen pageant dressing room, get in there and watch them undress. If it's just a normal woman, "move on 'em like a bitch" and "grab 'em by the pussy."

TM

I tend to agree, but then I recall his years on Howard, where he critiqued the shit out of women. He seemed to be quite picky.

Regardless of his pathology, if you need to burden a masseuse in a strip mall to rub one out, you're pathetically lazy. Do it yourself, fat man. Get some exercise for once.

Adder 03-12-2019 01:26 PM

Re: Downward Departures for Gout
 
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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 521398)
I tend to agree, but then I recall his years on Howard, where he critiqued the shit out of women. He seemed to be quite picky.

Regardless of his pathology, if you need to burden a masseuse in a strip mall to rub one out, you're pathetically lazy. Do it yourself, fat man. Get some exercise for once.

Apropos of Ty's link, I think you're discounting the possibility that demeaning the women involved is something he likes.

Hank Chinaski 03-12-2019 01:33 PM

Re: Doesn’t Matter Who Wins the K Race; We’re All the Same
 
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 521397)

A few years back I was playing at Park Grove, my client's annual retreat. The foursome was the CEO, his two division presidents and me. It wasn't even serious- I can't play, the CEO really couldn't. It was nice. We were celebrating a recent win. Beautiful location.

Then about the 4th tee CEO muffs his tee shot. "Can I get a Mulligan?"

Suddenly the atmosphere changed. It should not matter. We were playing to be out there, not for anything else. But it clearly had changed.

One of the Presidents says, "Ted, you're the guest, what do you say?"

I say, "Hmm, this doesn't seem a legal question, more business."

The presidents looked at the ground for a second, then one says, "Sure, tee it back up."

It was weird, but definitely a show of power.

sebastian_dangerfield 03-12-2019 01:51 PM

Re: Downward Departures for Gout
 
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Originally Posted by Adder (Post 521399)
Apropos of Ty's link, I think you're discounting the possibility that demeaning the women involved is something he likes.

Also the possibility he cannot wrap his short fingers around anything wider than a pencil.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 03-12-2019 02:14 PM

Re: Doesn’t Matter Who Wins the K Race; We’re All the Same
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 521400)
A few years back I was playing at Park Grove, my client's annual retreat. the foursome was the CEO his two division presidents and me. It wasn't even serious- I can't play, the CEO really couldn't. It was nice. We were celebrating a recent win. Beautiful location.

Then about the 4th tee CEO muffs his tee shot. "Can I get a Mulligan?"

Suddenly the atmosphere changed. It should not matter. We were playing to be out there, not for anything else. But it clearly had changed.

One of the Presidents says, "Ted, you're the guest, what do you say?"

I "Hmm, this doesn't seem a legal question, more business."

The presidents looked at the ground for a second, then one said, "Sure, tee it back up."

It was weird, but definitely a show of power.

I trust he covered drinks afterwards.

Did you just call me Coltrane? 03-12-2019 02:41 PM

Re: Doesn’t Matter Who Wins the K Race; We’re All the Same
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 521400)
A few years back I was playing at Park Grove, my client's annual retreat. The foursome was the CEO, his two division presidents and me. It wasn't even serious- I can't play, the CEO really couldn't. It was nice. We were celebrating a recent win. Beautiful location.

Then about the 4th tee CEO muffs his tee shot. "Can I get a Mulligan?"

Suddenly the atmosphere changed. It should not matter. We were playing to be out there, not for anything else. But it clearly had changed.

One of the Presidents says, "Ted, you're the guest, what do you say?"

I say, "Hmm, this doesn't seem a legal question, more business."

The presidents looked at the ground for a second, then one says, "Sure, tee it back up."

It was weird, but definitely a show of power.

Was it a scramble or something? Was your foursome competing against another foursome? If not I can't imagine how or why this would be weird. You want to take a mulligan when there's nothing on the line, go for it. Who is going to care?

Hank Chinaski 03-12-2019 02:54 PM

Re: Doesn’t Matter Who Wins the K Race; We’re All the Same
 
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Originally Posted by Did you just call me Coltrane? (Post 521403)
Was it a scramble or something? Was your foursome competing against another foursome? If not I can't imagine how or why this would be weird. You want to take a mulligan when there's nothing on the line, go for it. Who is going to care?

Nope. It seemed the exact thing Ty's link was mentioning. Would have been interesting to see one of the Presidents hit a shit shot- would em ask?

Icky Thump 03-12-2019 03:03 PM

Re: Doesn’t Matter Who Wins the K Race; We’re All the Same
 
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 521397)

It’s all about being the Alpha. Why my boss only responds to my emails when I’m on vacation.

Tyrone Slothrop 03-12-2019 04:32 PM

Re: Doesn’t Matter Who Wins the K Race; We’re All the Same
 
I do not understand why the UK government will not hold a second referendum.

ThurgreedMarshall 03-12-2019 04:48 PM

Re: Doesn’t Matter Who Wins the K Race; We’re All the Same
 
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 521406)
I do not understand why the UK government will not hold a second referendum.

Isn't the reason the unusually long time it takes to set up a referendum--taking them way past the weird and arbitrary deadline they set up?

TM

Hank Chinaski 03-12-2019 04:54 PM

Re: Doesn’t Matter Who Wins the K Race; We’re All the Same
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 521406)
I do not understand why the UK government will not hold a second referendum.

The people spoke and said “let’s get out.” Parliament just can’t get it done. So they have another vote, “we can’t sort this out, are you guys sure?”

It’d be like Congress saying it can’t work with Trump and scheduling a new election. It’s pretty to think about, but not an option.

Tyrone Slothrop 03-12-2019 05:00 PM

Re: Doesn’t Matter Who Wins the K Race; We’re All the Same
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 521407)
Isn't the reason the unusually long time it takes to set up a referendum--taking them way past the weird and arbitrary deadline they set up?

TM

At some point there was enough time, and if they had wanted to do it they could have. They are allergic to it. Also, the deadline, IIRC, is not weird or arbitrary in the sense that I thought it was set by EU law, Article 50.

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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 521408)
The people spoke and said “let’s get out.” Parliament just can’t get it done. So they have another vote, “we can’t sort this out, are you guys sure?”

It’d be like Congress saying it can’t work with Trump and scheduling a new election. It’s pretty to think about, but not an option.

Pretty obviously, there are a lot of people who liked Brexit in some sense but can't agree on what sort of Brexit should happen. So they need another referendum both because they know more now than they did then, but also to make a more specific choice: Whether to Brexit on specified terms, or to Bremain.

LessinSF 03-12-2019 05:03 PM

Who Cares About Felicity Huffman, Biglaw is Involved
 
"CNBC has the list, which includes, among others, "Gamal 'Aziz' Abdelaziz, 62, of Las Vegas, former president and executive director of Wynn Macau resort" and "Gordon Caplan, 52, of Greenwich, Conn., co-chairman of an international law firm Wilkie Farr."

Hank Chinaski 03-12-2019 05:04 PM

Re: Doesn’t Matter Who Wins the K Race; We’re All the Same
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 521409)



Pretty obviously, there are a lot of people who liked Brexit in some sense but can't agree on what sort of Brexit should happen. So they need another referendum both because they know more now than they did then, but also to make a more specific choice: Whether to Brexit on specified terms, or to Bremain.

youre confusing the people with the lawmakers. You want the people to reconsider but that isn’t an option.

sebastian_dangerfield 03-12-2019 05:20 PM

Re: Doesn’t Matter Who Wins the K Race; We’re All the Same
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 521408)
The people spoke and said “let’s get out.” Parliament just can’t get it done. So they have another vote, “we can’t sort this out, are you guys sure?”

It’d be like Congress saying it can’t work with Trump and scheduling a new election. It’s pretty to think about, but not an option.

Why? If they can hold the first one, they can hold a second one. Or they can hold a referendum on whether to hold another referendum on Brexit. That would push Brexit back to 2050, three or four years beyond where it appears it will otherwise take place.

Adder 03-12-2019 05:21 PM

Re: Doesn’t Matter Who Wins the K Race; We’re All the Same
 
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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 521411)
youre confusing the people with the lawmakers. You want the people to reconsider but that isn’t an option.

Of course it's an option. People voted in the original, non-binding referendum on whatever assumptions they had at the time about the deal that would be worked out. If May was at all competent, especially given the divide within her own party, she should would have been working toward putting the deal she negotiated up for a second referendum against remain.

Adder 03-12-2019 05:22 PM

Re: Doesn’t Matter Who Wins the K Race; We’re All the Same
 
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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 521412)
Why? If they can hold the first one, they can hold a second one. Or they can hold a referendum on whether to hold another referendum on Brexit. That would push Brexit back to 2050, three or four years beyond where it appears it will otherwise take place.

At the moment, it looks like it will take place at the end of the month.

sebastian_dangerfield 03-12-2019 05:24 PM

Re: Who Cares About Felicity Huffman, Biglaw is Involved
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by LessinSF (Post 521410)
"CNBC has the list, which includes, among others, "Gamal 'Aziz' Abdelaziz, 62, of Las Vegas, former president and executive director of Wynn Macau resort" and "Gordon Caplan, 52, of Greenwich, Conn., co-chairman of an international law firm Wilkie Farr."

Why can't these people do this sort of thing the proper way, by donating a building?

sebastian_dangerfield 03-12-2019 05:24 PM

Re: Doesn’t Matter Who Wins the K Race; We’re All the Same
 
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Originally Posted by Adder (Post 521414)
At the moment, it looks like it will take place at the end of the month.

They'll delay it again. I heard there was some structure in place to buy 24 months.

Replaced_Texan 03-12-2019 05:34 PM

Re: Who Cares About Felicity Huffman, Biglaw is Involved
 
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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 521415)
Why can't these people do this sort of thing the proper way, by donating a building?

Hopefully this isn't too big:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D1d_qAEXcAAXaT0.jpg

From here: https://twitter.com/OsitaNwanevu/sta...92635345653760

ThurgreedMarshall 03-12-2019 05:36 PM

Re: Doesn’t Matter Who Wins the K Race; We’re All the Same
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 521409)
At some point there was enough time, and if they had wanted to do it they could have.

Definitely agree. They should have done it ages ago.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 521409)
Also, the deadline, IIRC, is not weird or arbitrary in the sense that I thought it was set by EU law, Article 50.

Sure, it's in the treaty, but there's no reason why it needs to be a hard deadline. The EU can push it if they want. I think the appearance of a hard deadline was supposed to help May push for a solution.

https://www.project-syndicate.org/co...letsky-2019-02

TM

Hank Chinaski 03-12-2019 05:39 PM

Re: Doesn’t Matter Who Wins the K Race; We’re All the Same
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Adder (Post 521413)
Of course it's an option. People voted in the original, non-binding referendum on whatever assumptions they had at the time about the deal that would be worked out. If May was at all competent, especially given the divide within her own party, she should would have been working toward putting the deal she negotiated up for a second referendum against remain.

I took US con law pass/fail so I won’t comment on UK law with your level of assurance. But if what you say is true why not just ignore the first vote?

Hank Chinaski 03-12-2019 05:40 PM

Re: Who Cares About Felicity Huffman, Biglaw is Involved
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 521415)
Why can't these people do this sort of thing the proper way, by donating a building?

William Macy, in Shameless character, did nothing for the kids.

Tyrone Slothrop 03-12-2019 05:40 PM

Re: Doesn’t Matter Who Wins the K Race; We’re All the Same
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 521411)
youre confusing the people with the lawmakers. You want the people to reconsider but that isn’t an option.

Uh, no. The whole Conservative party is full of lawmakers who are in favor of Brexit in principle, but against any kind of Brexit that might actually happen. Having a second referendum is perfect for them, because they can vote against the actual Brexit that's possible, stay in the EU, and go back to complaining about it all the time instead of having to live with the consequences of being responsible for what happens.

Labor has its own problems, too, one of which is that Corbyn wants to be PM and knows that it's only happening if the Tories totally botch Brexit, and is willing for that to happen if it's to be his chance at Downing Street.

Adder 03-12-2019 05:42 PM

Re: Doesn’t Matter Who Wins the K Race; We’re All the Same
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 521416)
They'll delay it again.

What does "again" mean? They gave notice under Article 50, which provides for a two year period before effectiveness. That was two years ago.

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I heard there was some structure in place to buy 24 months.
I think any delay would require agreement by the EU, which doesn't seem certain. But just as importantly, I think a withdrawal of the Article 50 notice would need to pass parliament, and doubt she has the votes.

Adder 03-12-2019 05:44 PM

Re: Doesn’t Matter Who Wins the K Race; We’re All the Same
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 521419)
I took US con law pass/fail so I decided won’t comment on UK law with your level of assurance. But if what you is true why not just ignore the first vote?

They could have, but a majority in parliament subsequently voted to invoke Article 50.

Hank Chinaski 03-12-2019 05:54 PM

Re: Doesn’t Matter Who Wins the K Race; We’re All the Same
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 521421)
Uh, no. The whole Conservative party is full of lawmakers who are in favor of Brexit in principle, but against any kind of Brexit that might actually happen. Having a second referendum is perfect for them, because they can vote against the actual Brexit that's possible, stay in the EU, and go back to complaining about it all the time instead of having to live with the consequences of being responsible for what happens.

Labor has its own problems, too, one of which is that Corbyn wants to be PM and knows that it's only happening if the Tories totally botch Brexit, and is willing for that to happen if it's to be his chance at Downing Street.

I honestly have no idea what you are saying. People voted to get out. Adder seems to be saying it was advisory only, which seems weird for a national vote. Plus the morning after the vote I got a long email from EP counsel explaining how EP patent office will still include the UK and we need not worry. It didn't say, "this was just taking the temperature. We likely won't even." I think it would have if that was seen as a possible outcome.

FWIW, since Brexit much of EP has decided to hate immigrants too. So maybe the haters are feeling better as members?

sebastian_dangerfield 03-12-2019 06:28 PM

Re: Who Cares About Felicity Huffman, Biglaw is Involved
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Replaced_Texan (Post 521417)

That’s an awful lot of backdoor action.

I’m a pretty open minded guy, but I’m not sure I want to experiment with the side door.

sebastian_dangerfield 03-12-2019 06:30 PM

Re: Doesn’t Matter Who Wins the K Race; We’re All the Same
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Adder (Post 521422)
What does "again" mean? They gave notice under Article 50, which provides for a two year period before effectiveness. That was two years ago.



I think any delay would require agreement by the EU, which doesn't seem certain. But just as importantly, I think a withdrawal of the Article 50 notice would need to pass parliament, and doubt she has the votes.

“Again” means that I’m a dipshit who wasn’t thinking straight when I wrote that. I was confusing the deadline with the repeated delays of votes on Brexit plans.

Adder 03-12-2019 06:31 PM

Re: Doesn’t Matter Who Wins the K Race; We’re All the Same
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 521424)
I honestly have no idea what you are saying. People voted to get out. Adder seems to be saying it was advisory only, which seems weird for a national vote. Plus the morning after the vote I got a long email from EP counsel explaining how EP patent office will still include the UK and we need not worry. It didn't say, "this was just taking the temperature. We likely won't even." I think it would have if that was seen as a possible outcome.

FWIW, since Brexit much of EP has decided to hate immigrants too. So maybe the haters are feeling better as members?

It’s weird to me that you don’t recall the basics of the Brexit electioneering, but hers some light reading. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016...hip_referendum

Hank Chinaski 03-12-2019 06:31 PM

Re: Who Cares About Felicity Huffman, Biglaw is Involved
 
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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 521425)
That’s an awful lot of backdoor action.

I’m a pretty open minded guy, but I’m not sure I want to experiment with the side door.

I just went to state school, then later, on the internet, claimed Ivy degrees.

Tyrone Slothrop 03-12-2019 06:35 PM

Re: Doesn’t Matter Who Wins the K Race; We’re All the Same
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 521424)
I honestly have no idea what you are saying. People voted to get out. Adder seems to be saying it was advisory only, which seems weird for a national vote. Plus the morning after the vote I got a long email from EP counsel explaining how EP patent office will still include the UK and we need not worry. It didn't say, "this was just taking the temperature. We likely won't even." I think it would have if that was seen as a possible outcome.

FWIW, since Brexit much of EP has decided to hate immigrants too. So maybe the haters are feeling better as members?

People voted to get out, but it turns out that many of the Tories voted for a have-our-cake-and-eat-it-too Brexit where they would have all of the free trade advantages of being in the EU but also the ability to keep non-British riffraff from coming into the country. This, it turns out, was a Brfantasy, because the EU is not going to agree to it. It seems likely now that if they too another vote, Bremain would beat Brexit because many people now understand they were sold a pipe dream.

Hank Chinaski 03-12-2019 06:41 PM

Re: Doesn’t Matter Who Wins the K Race; We’re All the Same
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 521429)
People voted to get out, but it turns out that many of the Tories voted for a have-our-cake-and-eat-it-too Brexit where they would have all of the free trade advantages of being in the EU but also the ability to keep non-British riffraff from coming into the country. This, it turns out, was a Brfantasy, because the EU is not going to agree to it. It seems likely now that if they too another vote, Bremain would beat Brexit because many people now understand they were sold a pipe dream.

So how is this different than saying right now people who voted third party in Mi Pa and Wi realized they were wrong, so we should have a new vote?

sebastian_dangerfield 03-12-2019 06:44 PM

Re: Who Cares About Felicity Huffman, Biglaw is Involved
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 521428)
I just went to state school, then later, on the internet, claimed Ivy degrees.

This scheme started in 2011. That means there are a lot of kids out there who fraudulently got into college and have since graduated. What do they do with those degrees? Is it a mark McGwire or Sammy Sosa situation?

Suppose you fraudulently get in the college and then do exceptionally well there? Couldn’t one then make the argument you Belonged there?

Tyrone Slothrop 03-12-2019 07:35 PM

Re: Doesn’t Matter Who Wins the K Race; We’re All the Same
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 521430)
So how is this different than saying right now people who voted third party in Mi Pa and Wi realized they were wrong, so we should have a new vote?

It's like letting those people realize they were wrong and have a new vote in 2020, which we are planning to do.

Hank Chinaski 03-12-2019 08:33 PM

Re: Doesn’t Matter Who Wins the K Race; We’re All the Same
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 521440)
It's like letting those people realize they were wrong and have a new vote in 2020, which we are planning to do.

Except we get to enjoy the fruits of our vote for those years.

Tyrone Slothrop 03-12-2019 08:38 PM

Re: Doesn’t Matter Who Wins the K Race; We’re All the Same
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 521441)
Except we get to enjoy the fruits of our vote for those years.

When all is said and done, David Cameron is going down in history for having screwed Britain with the referendum, and Theresa May is going down in history for fecklessly screwing up the aftermath. I'm not sure that Jeremy Corbyn won't be worse if he gets his shot.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 03-12-2019 09:14 PM

Re: Who Cares About Felicity Huffman, Biglaw is Involved
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 521431)
This scheme started in 2011. That means there are a lot of kids out there who fraudulently got into college and have since graduated. What do they do with those degrees? Is it a mark McGwire or Sammy Sosa situation?

Suppose you fraudulently get in the college and then do exceptionally well there? Couldn’t one then make the argument you Belonged there?

Doesn't that depend on whether you went to a school that cares about its honor code or whether instead you went to Dartmouth?

Hank Chinaski 03-13-2019 12:22 PM

Re: Doesn’t Matter Who Wins the K Race; We’re All the Same
 
So, my son is a drug addict (not opiates thank goodness). So the wife and I have been going to something called Families Anonymous. It's a 12 step program that attempts to give one tools to deal with issues. The 12 steps for FA track the AA 12 steps, but are directed to the family instead of the addict.

Step 4 is take an inventory- AA for the addict. FA is for the parents- the inventory is listing faults you need to work on, then step 5+ you start dealing with fixing that shit.

I was just looking at the worksheet for it. It says everyone can list faults in others. It paraphrased what most people say, like we all sit and listen to others in the meetings listing their faults thinking "Yeah, you're right, that is a fault you have." But then we say, "ourselves, we really got nothing wrong."

Then it gives some techniques to work through getting to your list. One is "list a strength then list a fault," kind of sugar coating. Then once you're done, it again paraphrases, "what were we afraid of? admitting we got some work to do wasn't so bad after all."

Anyhoo it kind of tracked what typically happens when a white person is accused of racism- "yes those people are racist, but me, you know I'm not." But then it helped take the next step. There should be a worksheet to help people get through accepting their own racism.


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