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Exactly. the question was too broad. you can probably safely* let her on a boat with him. Ironically a boat is the only type vehicle a Kennedy has never used to drown a women. Jack did drown several of his crewmen**, but that was before women were stationed on warships.

*or course, discounting for the very real possibilty of rape.

**I've read he was the only PT boat captain to lose his ship in WWII

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Not true in my case. I voted for him in '92, thought he was incompetent by '93, started hating him (mostly because of his wife) in '94, and truly feared him politically around '97.

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2. Except I voted for perot. which is like voting for clinton without voting for clinton.

Mourning the Farce of July -- Iraq & Amerika: http://www.bushflash.com/pax.html
 

So the Clintons are Norwegian now. Good to know.

Mourning the Farce of July -- Iraq & Amerika: http://www.bushflash.com/pax.html
 

I invented this.

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Excellent point!

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I get more than just a little ticked off when some people tell others what and what not to post to the board. If Sidd and Penske want to engage in this exchange, who does it harm? If you don't find it interesting then don't read it. But don't tell people what to post. If find the exchange interesting so stop trying to censor stuff.

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He whined about how that bastard Sidd made him waste his whole day, and I told him he made himself waste the whole day. I wasn't telling him what to post, I was telling him that he was not accepting personal responsibility for the waste of his entire day.

Don't you bitch at me and ncs about how we are a waste of space?

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At least one of them was simply pushing buttons. Call me a naive idealistic newber, but I feel it is wrong to make arguments that you don't truly believe in just to bother others.

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He's just hinting you two should diet and maybe workout a little.

last night the barbque i was had a big tray of burgers plus bacon for them. I just took 15 rashers of bacon- why eat a burger when you can simply have bacon? I wrapped then in tomato slices- mmmmm Atkins!

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Yes, Sidd was obviously doing the passive aggressive reverse psychology shuffle on me. What is his vested interest in antagonizing me?

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You should be deeply ashamed. Perot was against NAFTA. I remember watching Gore kick his derrier in that debate on CNN - I was living in Japan at the time but stayed up late to watch it. Gore got a few Gold stars for that. I was a big fan of HW Bush and a Clinton presidency scared the hell out of me. I thought it was going to be a Carter II. It was nothing of the sort. As Democrats go it could have been a lot worse.

Clinton did fight the fiscal prudence of the Republican congress, but he still let them balance the budget. The Health care thing was a fiasco but he did push through NAFTA and the WTO. Then much to his credit, and even after the Somalia Fiasco, he had the nads to bomb Serbia into submission. Even with the "Clinton is always wrong idiots" in our party griping from the Right and the pacficists griping from the left, he stopped Genocide without losing an American life.

He should have been impeached for perjury and witness tampering, but if he had been we would probably have President Gore right now.

I supported W. but was not sure what kind of President he would make. Although I have found his lack of fiscal prudence annoying (especially with farm subsidies that Ronald Reagon tried so hard to abolish), and his social policies (condoms cause AIDS etc) his courage has blown me away. He pushed through that tax cut to end the recession, he took on Afghanistan and Iraq which were both huge risks, and he took on Social Security. Before him no one has dared touch Social Security but he bucked the conventional wisdom and took it on anyway. When governor Romer was visiting the White House Clinton pushed a synopsis of the Chilean retirement plan under Roemer's door and then discussed it with him. Clinton admired the idea but decided instead to use it as a wedge issue against the Republicans. Clinton didn't have the nads to move forward with trying to reform Social SEcuirty, but W did.

In both cases these guys exceeded my expectations and so I just don't understand the deep seated hatred of either of them. I know they actually like eachother. Clinton has come to Bush's defense many times. I heard HW state that he was deeply grateful for Clinton coming to the defense of his son, even though he knew it would make trouble for his wife.

Bush is not stupid and he believes in what he is doing. There are reasonable explanations for most everything he has done. The same is true of Clinton. Clinton may have impluse control issues and like power but he also cares about the United States. They guy was a workaholic when he was in office. If you have read Woodward's Books you know both these men really care about the future of the nation., Both these men have taken moves that were clearly not in the immediate interest of the nation, but these were almost always political moves that, in their minds, even though they did minor damage, help keep the other party out of power, which in their minds would be even worse.

People that obsess over either Clinton or Bush strike me as politically naive.

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thanks. I appreciate the vote of confidence. As the Board's founder and an old skool ikon, I sometimes find it hard to balance my duties as an impartial objective moderator with my natural human impulses towards a subjective opinion. I like to think I hew pretty close to the former.

Good night.

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I agree.

Except about being ashamed about Perot. GHWB lied. I worked for Dole's campaign in 88. I saw people read Bush's lips and become brainwashed. And then lied. Plus he screwed the pooch on Iraq. Saddam should be going on his 14th year in prison now. I don't regret that vote one bit. Thank god his son has some resolve.

eta: I think Clinton was impeached, he just wasn't convicted, which was, imo, fully correct on both counts, although the Senate abdicated its duty to truly have a hearing on the matter.

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Um, I don't think Pretty Lady would be a Pretty Lady if she were fat -- do you? No.