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Atticus Grinch 05-31-2013 07:12 PM

Re: Your daddy's rich and your mama's good-looking.
 
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Originally Posted by hank chinaski (Post 479995)
if you're going to try to keep selling this intellectual twit persona, you really need to pay more attention to grammar, whether to use a plural or singular verb as an example.

media is a plural noun i will shoot you in the fucking face

SEC_Chick 05-31-2013 08:27 PM

Re: Your daddy's rich and your mama's good-looking.
 
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Originally Posted by Atticus Grinch (Post 479994)
I've recently had to become more educated about firearms and I've come to twin realizations: (1) when gun nuts complain that the lamestream media don't know a fucking thing about guns, there is a grain of truth in that THE MEDIA DON'T KNOW A FUCKING THING ABOUT GUNS; and (2) people whose only source of information about guns is mass media really are as misinformed as the gun nuts say. Doesn't mean those people are wrong to have their ultimate opinions about gun control, but I've been surprised to see the number of times a .22 semiautomatic gets called "a high-powered rifle" because a reporter checked a photo online and decided it looked like an assault weapon. Which leads the paranoid gun nuts to assume that legislation to ban certain kinds of weapons is really an opening salvo with an endgame of banning everything down to the target pistols.

ETA: Like when the AP Twitter account elaborated on the Newtown murders by tweeting a photo of what a .223 caliber rifle "looks like": a tricked-out AR-15. AP: "The suspect was reportedly driving a car. This is what a car looks like. {posts photo of Hummer}" Car owners: "Fuck you. {changes channel to Fox}"


You speak the truth. Mr. Chick recently obtained a CHL and had a delightful time with the middle Chicklet at the NRA convention recently (it was local, so it's not as if they had to travel more than 15 mintes from our home), and the only thing that gets him worked up more than idiocy like that is the over reaction to boys being boys and getting suspended for crap like biting their pop tart into the shape of a gun, or a 5 yo bringing an unloaded cap gun to school and being interrogated for 2 hours without his parents until he wet his pants and suspended for 10 days. A lot of people are jackasses about firearms.

Hank Chinaski 05-31-2013 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Atticus Grinch (Post 479996)
media is a plural noun i will shoot you in the fucking face

hate crime! hate crime!

Atticus Grinch 05-31-2013 08:59 PM

Re: Your daddy's rich and your mama's good-looking.
 
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Originally Posted by SEC_Chick (Post 479997)
You speak the truth. Mr. Chick recently obtained a CHL and had a delightful time with the middle Chicklet at the NRA convention recently (it was local, so it's not as if they had to travel more than 15 mintes from our home), and the only thing that gets him worked up more than idiocy like that is the over reaction to boys being boys and getting suspended for crap like biting their pop tart into the shape of a gun, or a 5 yo bringing an unloaded cap gun to school and being interrogated for 2 hours without his parents until he wet his pants and suspended for 10 days. A lot of people are jackasses about firearms.

I want to be clear: Everybody is wrong about 50 things having to do with guns, but I believe the NRA is wrong about 50 million more things.

Speaking as someone who sometimes has to justify one of those "crazy" suspensions from school, I think we all need to face the fact that the human cost of our collective demands that fake handguns be treated differently from real ones on school campuses, which is certainly a demand with impeccable logic on its side, is that every once in a while a child will be mistakenly shot by a police officer on campus. It will be rare, we all hope, but I have a hard time suggesting in today's day and age that an officer who sees a child with a gun-shaped object in his hand should make efforts to ascertain whether it is real before opening fire. Those zero-tolerance-for-gun-toys are also in place because some elementary kids get panicked when they see these things and a rumor gets started that it's real (usually when it's in somebody's backpack or locker, not when it's there for everyone to see). It's fun to mock the people who the press pillories for these rigid outcomes and supposed lapses of common sense, but I've come to learn that even the stupidest rules have a rather troubling anecdote in the distant past that animated them.

I'll grant you the Pop Tart story. Also, finger pointing. But only in public schools. Link a news story about somebody being mistreated by a private school or daycare -- an organization with which they have a consumer relationship -- and unless it's racial discrimination I simply won't give a shit.

Hank Chinaski 05-31-2013 09:40 PM

Re: Your daddy's rich and your mama's good-looking.
 
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Originally Posted by Atticus Grinch (Post 479999)
I want to be clear: Everybody is wrong about 50 things having to do with guns, but I believe the NRA is wrong about 50 million more things.

Speaking as someone who sometimes has to justify one of those "crazy" suspensions from school, I think we all need to face the fact that the human cost of our collective demands that fake handguns be treated differently from real ones on school campuses, which is certainly a demand with impeccable logic on its side, is that every once in a while a child will be mistakenly shot by a police officer on campus. It will be rare, we all hope, but I have a hard time suggesting in today's day and age that an officer who sees a child with a gun-shaped object in his hand should make efforts to ascertain whether it is real before opening fire. Those zero-tolerance-for-gun-toys are also in place because some elementary kids get panicked when they see these things and a rumor gets started that it's real (usually when it's in somebody's backpack or locker, not when it's there for everyone to see). It's fun to mock the people who the press pillories for these rigid outcomes and supposed lapses of common sense, but I've come to learn that even the stupidest rules have a rather troubling anecdote in the distant past that animated them.

I'll grant you the Pop Tart story. Also, finger pointing. But only in public schools. Link a news story about somebody being mistreated by a private school or daycare -- an organization with which they have a consumer relationship -- and unless it's racial discrimination I simply won't give a shit.

Atticus, if a 20 year old is holding what appears to be a gun, a police still needs to make sure there is a threat, an actual threat before shooting em. But let's make it a kid with what seems a gun, a cop should take cover maybe but until an actual shot rings out, em cannot shoot a 7 year old who holds what may be a real gun, or a fake.

SEC_Chick 05-31-2013 09:46 PM

Re: Your daddy's rich and your mama's good-looking.
 
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Originally Posted by Atticus Grinch (Post 479999)

I'll grant you the Pop Tart story. Also, finger pointing. But only in public schools. Link a news story about somebody being mistreated by a private school or daycare -- an organization with which they have a consumer relationship -- and unless it's racial discrimination I simply won't give a shit.

Don't get me wrong. I believe there should be appropriate consequences for bringing what reasonably appears to be a gun to a school. Absolutely. But questioning a 5 year old without his parents for 2 hours until he wets his pants exceeds that. And pretty much every absurd story I have heard is from a public school. Anyone else can have whatever policy they want. Don't care. But I am thankful my kids go to private school where a finger pointing play gunfight among first graders gets only to the point of a brief discussion with the principal that it is not appropriate behavior at school and the kids are encouraged to make better choices.

Atticus Grinch 05-31-2013 10:20 PM

Re: Your daddy's rich and your mama's good-looking.
 
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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 480000)
Atticus, if a 20 year old is holding what appears to be a gun, a police still needs to make sure there is a threat, an actual threat before shooting em. But let's make it a kid with what seems a gun, a cop should take cover maybe but until an actual shot rings out, em cannot shoot a 7 year old who holds what may be a real gun, or a fake.

What do you think actually leads up to these shootings of people who are holding cassette tapes or cell phones or rocks or what-have-you? When the officer say "Hey" or "Show me your hands!" or "Freeze," the kid wheels around like "What?" because you have to be a pretty seasoned consumer of law enforcement resources to realize in that heartbeat that the officer is FULL of adrenaline and might already have drawn. People get shot by officers in traffic stops because they're generally pretty terrible at realizing what their behavior looks like to a guy with an overblown good guy/bad guy dichotomy who's trying to rule out the 0.0005% possibility that you're going to shoot him if you get the chance. I've read Court of Appeal decisions where unarmed drivers were shot because they had been pulled over earlier that week for speeding so they immediately started rummaging through the glove compartment before being asked, and didn't stop when the officer told them to put their hands on the wheel because they were tired and pissed off — at the cop, at themselves, at the world.

Of course we all WANT cops not to shoot people until the exact moment the kid lifts the gun and points. They're trained that way. But I'm unwilling to stake anyone's life on it for the sake of "freedom" to have a toy gun in a place people have declared a gun-free zone.

Should I be entitled to carry a toy gun on the floor of Congress? Inside the Supreme Court? If not, why not?

taxwonk 05-31-2013 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Atticus Grinch (Post 480002)

Should I be entitled to carry a toy gun on the floor of Congress? Inside the Supreme Court? If not, why not?

Nope. They won't let you. Not even if it's a two-cap derringer that you swore up and down you were going to keep in your pocket.

Hank Chinaski 05-31-2013 10:32 PM

Re: Your daddy's rich and your mama's good-looking.
 
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Originally Posted by Atticus Grinch (Post 480002)
What do you think actually leads up to these shootings of people who are holding cassette tapes or cell phones or rocks or what-have-you? When the officer say "Hey" or "Show me your hands!" or "Freeze," the kid wheels around like "What?" because you have to be a pretty seasoned consumer of law enforcement resources to realize in that heartbeat that the officer is FULL of adrenaline and might already have drawn. People get shot by officers in traffic stops because they're generally pretty terrible at realizing what their behavior looks like to a guy with an overblown good guy/bad guy dichotomy who's trying to rule out the 0.0005% possibility that you're going to shoot him if you get the chance. I've read Court of Appeal decisions where unarmed drivers were shot because they had been pulled over earlier that week for speeding so they immediately started rummaging through the glove compartment before being asked, and didn't stop when the officer told them to put their hands on the wheel because they were tired and pissed off — at the cop, at themselves, at the world.

Of course we all WANT cops not to shoot people until the exact moment the kid lifts the gun and points. They're trained that way. But I'm unwilling to stake anyone's life on it for the sake of "freedom" to have a toy gun in a place people have declared a gun-free zone.

maybe your view of this issue exists because you get close to it work wise? I represented a company that would walk through a Toys R Us and pick up toys they found cool then copy them. In the abstract I support strong IP rights, but, until that company was sued into bankruptcy, I did my best to protect the company from legal consequence.

but I did realize they should not be doing that shit in a world that is as it should be.
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Should I be entitled to carry a toy gun on the floor of Congress? Inside the Supreme Court? If not, why not?
Hell no! But should you take your son with to see the Congress and he has his favorite star trek ray gun in his pocket, I'd hope they just take it, not shoot him.

Tyrone Slothrop 05-31-2013 10:53 PM

Re: Towards A Virtual Williamsburg!
 
United Airlines 1, People's Republic of China 0.

Atticus Grinch 05-31-2013 11:23 PM

Re: Your daddy's rich and your mama's good-looking.
 
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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 480004)
maybe your view of this issue exists because you get close to it work wise? I represented a company that would walk through a Toys R Us and pick up toys they found cool then copy them. In the abstract I support strong IP rights, but, until that company was sued into bankruptcy, I did my best to protect the company from legal consequence.

but I did realize they should not be doing that shit in a world that is as it should be.
Hell no! But should you take your son with to see the Congress and he has his favorite star trek ray gun in his pocket, I'd hope they just take it, not shoot him.

To be perfectly analogous, the question is whether Congress can have a policy you can't visit them for 10 days.

SEC_Chick 06-01-2013 08:52 AM

Re: Your daddy's rich and your mama's good-looking.
 
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Originally Posted by Atticus Grinch (Post 480006)
To be perfectly analogous, the question is whether Congress can have a policy you can't visit them for 10 days.

And during that 10 days Congress is holding your Kindergarten graduation, which admittedly is a pretty BS event, but is one highly emphasized and held in high regard in class, and is likely important to the intended participants.

taxwonk 06-01-2013 04:18 PM

Re: Towards A Virtual Williamsburg!
 
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 480005)

Likely to offset the satisfaction of being mean to a Chinese person.

Icky Thump 06-01-2013 04:34 PM

Re: Towards A Virtual Williamsburg!
 
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Originally Posted by taxwonk (Post 480008)

No one who flies United Airlines would be surprised.

Hank Chinaski 06-01-2013 04:40 PM

Re: Towards A Virtual Williamsburg!
 
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No one who flies United Airlines would be surprised.

Anyone know if youporn is blocked on go-go inflight?


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