Originally Posted by SEC_Chick (Post 504170)

And now the Hillary campaign is joining in, because voter fraud only is a thing when Democrats lose (especially after the Obama admin said there was no evidence of hacking or Russian influence).

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 504174)

I actually thought the statement from Hillary's campaign lawyer was quite sensible -- it acknowledged that the margin is bigger than has ever been changed in a recount, but said that if Stein was going to file for a recount, they would participate.

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 504175)

So he doesn't think it adds an aura of credibility? As long as Spacefuck is asking why not join in? I wish he hadn't won but he did and all this noise is detrimental, ultimately.

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 504176)

I basically agree with you. Read this and tell me whether you think it's reasonable. I did.

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 504177)

No I don't think it reasonable. People who are anti Trump need to develop a plan of action. Something to increase the odds of D senators being elected in 2018, something to help fight fucking with immigrants, etc. AND educating third party voters what they did here. Recounts or talking about abolishing the electoral college or hoping the electoral college will make hil prez are all pathetic miss directions.

Originally Posted by LessinSF (Post 504178)

I can't open it, but I know it is not just misdirection. It is hypocritical pablum satisfying the people that wasted their money on a feckless campaign for more Clintons, and don't mind throwing good after bad.

LessinOkinawa

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 504174)

I actually thought the statement from Hillary's campaign lawyer was quite sensible -- it acknowledged that the margin is bigger than has ever been changed in a recount, but said that if Stein was going to file for a recount, they would participate.

Originally Posted by SEC_Chick (Post 504179)

ETA But Trump's claims he won the popular vote are also likely bullcrap.

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 504162)

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 504163)

They are. Student debt forgiven for the kids, credit cards forgiven for the doublewide demographic.

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 504175)

So he doesn't think it adds an aura of credibility? As long as Spacefuck is asking why not join in? I wish he hadn't won but he did and all this noise is detrimental, ultimately.

Originally Posted by SEC_Chick (Post 504179)

ETA But Trump's claims he won the popular vote are also likely bullcrap.

Originally Posted by ferrets_bueller (Post 504116)

A comment on the Forsetti piece posted by Thurgreed.

There is far, far more truth in the article than most people realize. I qualify as a coastal elitist. I am the poster boy for coastal elites. Born in NYC suburbs, Ivy education, career in Washington.

Oddly, my closest lifelong friends are the thirty or so people who passed through my combat platoon lo these 45 years ago. They are, by and large, flyover state people who are utterly incapable of realizing that the government is the only reason they have even a semblance of middle class life. They scapegoat. They blame the government for their failure to move up the economic ladder, notwithstanding that virtually every one of them that did get a college education got it at a state university for a pittance. They cannot understand the enormous changes of globalization. They only know that they are worse off than their parents, they don't come home to an Ozzie and Harriet marriage, and their kids have even fewer prospect than they did.


Generalizations are always flawed, but even those in this group who aren't fundamentalist know nothings have a willful blindness to the causes of their situation. In the run-up to this year's reunion, these men who I love were vehement Trumpeteers on social media. My closest friend in the group, a Californian, decided it was best if he didn't attend. I agreed, and stayed away.

There is one point in the Forsetti article I would personally disagree with. I WOULD come for their god damn guns, in the sense that civilians should not have AR 15s. I would tighten penalties on gun owners who don't secure their weapons. I know, first hand, what these machines can do. If your unemployed, bullied, meth addled son gets your semiautomatic rifle and sprays his high school it, you have committed murder. But that's just a coastal elitist view.

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 504121)

Understanding them is a worthwhile endeavor, I guess. But isn't it more productive to find ways to properly message them? Trump just manipulated them without a hell of a lot complex marketing. One would think the Democratic Party, with far more resources, could similarly do so.

Originally Posted by Adder (Post 504183)

Again, both of these things disproportionately advantage the relatively well off. The poor - and certainly not the uneducated working class - don't have student debt and can't get big credit card balances.

You're advocating forgiveness for your neighborhood.