Originally Posted by Pretty Little Flower (Post 393955)

Your opinion on this matter demonstrates that you have engaged in simultaneous fellatio of the mothers of Sebastian and Thurgreed, who at the time were both engaged in fellating Michael Jackson, while he was fellating Quincy Jones. I'm sorry this experience has caused you to be so misguided.

Ty, I don't want a venn diagram here.

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 393957)

Actually, I though that Shifter, by invoking Blah, Blah, Blah, was noting that while I'd placed Grandmaster Flash and Bowie above MJ in the 80's musical pantheon, I'd neglected Iggy Pop. I though this was cool, though you still may be right about the fellatio. Can we get Tom Robinson in there somehow? I mean, he'd be entirely game.

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 393956)

you're becoming the kind of sock coltrane will friend request on facebook. most of us he won't, so you got that.

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 393936)

You're here trying to argue Michael Jackson wasn't primarily responsible for his success? Have you lost your mind?

Was he the most important R&B artist (something I heard some clown from Rolling Stone say yesterday)? Fuck no - not by miles. Most influential? Hell no, but only because he was unique enough to pretty much be copy-proof. Second biggest artist behind the Beatles? Possibly, but if that's the case, he's so far behind it's a silly comparison. So yeah, we can criticize some of the excessive praise lumped on the guy, but come on... Who in the last 30 years has been more iconic? Madonna works her ass off at it and still can't compete. Pink Floyd, Zeppelin, the Eagles, AC/DC, Fleetwood Mac... lots of groups have sold as many if not more records than Jackson, but do any of them immediately come to mind so vividly? Few artists reach as many people as Jackson did, and have staying power through a pair of fucking pedophilia scandals. The guy was a monster, and I don't care how good Quincy was at the boards - that comes from the artist's charisma and talent, not his alleged Svengali.

Originally Posted by Pretty Little Flower (Post 393958)

A08-814 ( http://www.courts.state.mn.us/opinio...80814-0609.pdf )
State of Minnesota, Respondent, vs. Allan John Ptacek,
Appellant.
Steele County District Court, Hon. Joseph A. Bueltel.
Under Minn. Stat. § 609.341, subd. 12(1) (2004), fellatio constituting sexual penetration occurs when there is any contact between the mouth, tongue, or lips of one person and the penis of another person.
Affirmed. Judge Randolph W. Peterson.

Originally Posted by Pretty Little Flower (Post 393955)

Your opinion on this matter demonstrates that you have engaged in simultaneous fellatio of the mothers of Sebastian and Thurgreed, who at the time were both engaged in fellating Michael Jackson, while he was fellating Quincy Jones.

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 393887)

Does anyone actually like the stuff on Bad?
So Thriller was already about an aging pop idol losing it, it just made money with that general theme, and you wonder why he went downhill?

Originally Posted by Jack Manfred (Post 393970)

* oral sex, done properly, is sex

Originally Posted by Pretty Little Flower (Post 393958)

A08-814 ( http://www.courts.state.mn.us/opinio...80814-0609.pdf )
State of Minnesota, Respondent, vs. Allan John Ptacek,
Appellant.
Steele County District Court, Hon. Joseph A. Bueltel.
Under Minn. Stat. § 609.341, subd. 12(1) (2004), fellatio constituting sexual penetration occurs when there is any contact between the mouth, tongue, or lips of one person and the penis of another person.
Affirmed. Judge Randolph W. Peterson.

Originally Posted by Jack Manfred (Post 393970)

He was 23 when he (and Quincy Jones) made "Thriller." Granted, he had been performing since age 10, but he wasn't "aging" and as of "Thriller," he wasn't losing it.

I think "Off The Wall" is a much better album than "Bad." Michael Jackson was iconic. In fact, his iconic status reminds me of a Chris Rock riff. Bill Clinton was so famous that Monica Lewinsky became famous just for having sex* with him. Michael Jackson was so iconic that Nirvana and Kurt Cobain became iconic in no small part because they knocked him off the top of the charts.

There will never be a more iconic American pop star that Michael Jackson because of the fragmentation and decline of the music industry. Arguably, Nirvana was the last iconic rock band in American music, and they ended 15 years ago.

You can argue that the era ended long ago instead of last week, but an era in American music that Michael Jackson personified has certainly ended.

* oral sex, done properly, is sex

Originally Posted by Jack Manfred (Post 393970)

There will never be a more iconic American pop star that Michael Jackson because of the fragmentation and decline of the music industry. Arguably, Nirvana was the last iconic rock band in American music, and they ended 15 years ago.

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 393973)

And what really made Thriller was Vincent Price.

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 393972)

not to be a timmy, but the mouth is an aperture, a void, the absence of flesh; the mouth cannot contact anything.

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 393973)

The last Michael Jackson style iconic performer was Britney Spears.

And what really made Thriller was Vincent Price.

Originally Posted by Fugee (Post 393976)

What do you call the inner sides of that "void" not including the tongue and teeth?

Originally Posted by Fugee (Post 393976)

What do you call the inner sides of that "void" not including the tongue and teeth?

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 393979)

a void has no inner sides. is this a trick question?

do you mean the outer walls that define the mouth? I won't trouble you with the latin formal names, but essentially you speak of the mucous membranes of the cheeks and palate, or the roof.

Originally Posted by Fugee (Post 393981)

I suppose they could put a lot more techincal jargon in the jury charge but if you say "mouth" everyone is gonna known what you mean.

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 393982)

"cheek" is technical jargon in Minnesota? no wonder your bridges fall in.

Originally Posted by Fugee (Post 393983)

I think cheek would be considered the outside unless you said "inner cheek." and if you are going to parse all all the different surfaces you have to add hard palate, soft palate, uvula. You'd put that in a jury charge? Mouth works just fine.

Originally Posted by Fugee (Post 393980)

How do you have 3 kids, all those assets and all that debt and not have a will? And if that isn't enough, how do you have a dad like Joe Jackson and not want to make sure he doesn't have any legal rights to your kids and your stuff?

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 393961)

Do we know Atticus' position on this case?

Originally Posted by Shape Shifter (Post 393985)

I had heard that he has at least 2. But why would it surprise you that someone who spent so much effort into escaping reality would not have a will?

Originally Posted by Fugee (Post 393990)

I also wonder how long it will take for the biological mother of #3 to surface. (Or the actual biological father of any of them.)

Originally Posted by Replaced_Texan (Post 393993)

Why would any donors have any sort of claim? Most states and then parents through contractural language divest donors of any parental rights at all. For example, Texas Family Code Sec. 160.702. PARENTAL STATUS OF DONOR. "A donor is not a parent of a child conceived by means of assisted reproduction."

Originally Posted by Fugee (Post 393990)

He managed reality enough to get the mom of the oldest 2 to sign away her parental rights. You'd think a will would be a natural follow-up.

Originally Posted by Fugee (Post 393990)

He managed reality enough to get the mom of the oldest 2 to sign away her parental rights. You'd think a will would be a natural follow-up.

I wonder if it is too late for the kids to escape being completely and utterly fucked up.

I also wonder how long it will take for the biological mother of #3 to surface. (Or the actual biological father of any of them.)

ETA: TMZ (that noted legal publication) reports there is a will. I hadn't heard there were 2 wills.

Originally Posted by Shape Shifter (Post 394008)

tmz is reporting that Rowe was basically a surrogate and that the children are not biologically related to either MJ or her.

And yeah, those kids are going to be fucked up.

Originally Posted by Fugee (Post 393996)

You know, that was a stupid post (mine, not yours). I wasn't thinking so much of a claim but of who actually might be the biological father of the children (and whether he or they even knew) and who would have rights if the 3rd one wasn't really his biological child, he wasn't married to the biological mother and didn't adopt the baby.

Mostly I was just being stoopid. It goes right along with asking someone this morning if today was the 31st.

Originally Posted by Atticus Grinch (Post 394011)

I don't think it was a stupid question. "The donor of semen provided to a licensed physican and surgeon for use in artificial insemination of a woman other than the donor's wife is treated in law as if he were not the natural father of a child thereby conceived." Cal. Fam. Code s 7613(b). But I think California law uses the term "natural mother" to describe the woman who carried the pregnancy, not who supplied the egg. I wonder if Rowe can have her relinquishment of parental rights declared void as against public policy, because the strong presumption in California is against anything that results in a person having one parent instead of two (outside of adoption, where the worse alternative is zero parents).

Originally Posted by Fugee (Post 394012)

If she was just a surrogate, maybe she doesn't even want the kids? Whoever gets them, I hope they get a chance to live a somewhat normal kids life, all things considered.

Originally Posted by Shape Shifter (Post 393974)

You're forgetting Ashley Tisdale.

Originally Posted by Fugee (Post 394010)

Originally Posted by Shape Shifter (Post 394028)

I have heard that Quincy Jones is not going to attend MJ's funeral.

Originally Posted by Shape Shifter (Post 394028)

I have heard that Quincy Jones is not going to attend MJ's funeral.