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Not Bob 08-15-2012 06:09 PM

The banks are made of marble.
 
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 471554)
I think he was trying to say, in his own incomprehensible, florid way, that letting banks run amok would harm average people. The "unchain" metaphor was not his. I think it is far more likely that he was alluding to Jean Jacques Rousseau's The Social Contract than that he was suggesting that Republicans want to enslave blacks, and so do you.

I thought he was going more for a William Jennings Bryan populist theme - "you shall not press down upon the brow of labor this crown of thorns; you shall not crucify mankind upon a cross of gold."

Tyrone Slothrop 08-15-2012 07:13 PM

Re: The banks are made of marble.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Not Bob (Post 471565)
I thought he was going more for a William Jennings Bryan populist theme - "you shall not press down upon the brow of labor this crown of thorns; you shall not crucify mankind upon a cross of gold."

Thanks for the excuse to work this in:

Bryan, Bryan, Bryan, Bryan
- Vachel Lindsay

In a nation of one hundred fine, mob-hearted, lynching, relenting, repenting, millions,
There are plenty of sweeping, swinging, stinging, gorgeous things to shout about,
And knock your old blue devils out.

I brag and chant of Bryan, Bryan, Bryan
Candidate for president who sketched a silver Zion,
The one American Poet who could sing outdoors,
He brought in tides of wonder, of unprecedented splendor,
Wild roses from the plains, that made hearts tender,
All the funny circus silks
Of politics unfurled,
Bartlett pears of romance that were honey at the cores,
And torchlights down the street, to the end of the world.

There were truths eternal in the gab and tittle-tattle.
There were real heads broken in the fustian and the rattle.
There were real lines drawn:
Not the silver and the gold,
But Nebraska's cry went eastward against the dour and old,
The mean and cold.

It was eighteen ninety-six, and I was just sixteen
And Altgeld ruled in Springfield, Illinois,
When there came from the sunset Nebraska's shout of joy:
In a coat like a deacon, in a black Stetson hat
He scourged the elephant plutocrats
With barbed wire from the Platte.
The scales dropped from their mighty eyes.
They saw that summer's noon
A tribe of wonders coming
To a marching tune.

Oh, the longhorns from Texas,
The jay hawks from Kansas,
The plop-eyed bungaroo and giant giassicus,
The varmint, chipmunk, bugaboo,
The horned-toad, prairie-dog and ballyhoo,
From all the newborn states arow,
Bidding the eagles of the west fly on,
Bidding the eagles of the west fly on.
The fawn, prodactyl and thing-a-ma-jig,
The rakaboor, the hellangone,
The whangadoodle, batfowl and pig,
The coyote, wild-cat and grizzly in a glow,
In a miracle of health and speed, the whole breed abreast,
The leaped the Mississippi, blue border of the West,
From the Gulf to Canada, two thousand miles long:-
Against the towns of Tubal Cain, too cunning for the young,
The longhorn calf, the buffalo and wampus gave tongue,.

These creatures were defending things Mark Hanna never dreamed:
The moods of airy childhood that in desert dews gleamed,
The gossamers and whimsies,
The monkeyshines and didoes
Rank and strange
Of the canyons and the range,
The ultimate fantastics
Of the far western slope,
And of prairie schooner children
Born beneath the stars,
Beneath falling snows,
Of the babies born at midnight
In the sod huts of lost hope,
With no physician there,
Except a Kansas prayer,
With the Indian raid a howling through the air.

And all these in their helpless days
By the dour East oppressed,
Mean paternalism
Making their mistakes for them,
Crucifying half the West,
Till the whole Atlantic coast
Seemed a giant spiders' nest.

And these children and their sons
At last rode through the cactus,
A cliff of mighty cowboys
On the lope,
With gun and rope.
And all the way to frightened Maine the old East heard them call,
And saw our Bryan by a mile lead the wall
Of men and whirling flowers and beasts,
The bard and the prophet of them all.
Prairie avenger, mountain lion,
Bryan, Bryan, Bryan, Bryan,
Gigantic troubadour, speaking like a siege gun,
Smashing Plymouth Rock with his boulders from the West,
And just a hundred miles behind, tornadoes piled across the sky,
Blotting out sun and moon,
A sign on high.

Headlong, dazed and blinking in the weird green light,
The scalawags made to moan,
Afraid to fight.

II

When Bryan came to Springfield, and Altgeld gave him greeting,
Rochester was deserted, Divernon was deserted,
Mechanicsburg, Riverton, Chickenbristle, Cotton Hill,
Empty: for all Sangamon drove to the meeting-
In silver-decked racing cart,
Buggy, buckboard, carryall,
Carriage, phaeton, whatever would haul,
And silver-decked farm-wagons gritted, banged and rolled,
With the new tale of Bryan by the iron tires told.

The State House loomed afar,
A speck, a hive, a football,
A captive balloon!
And the town was all one spreading wing of bunting, plumes, and sunshine,
Every rag and flag, and Bryan picture sold,
When the rigs in many a dusty line
Jammed our streets at noon,
And joined the wild parade against the power of gold.

We roamed, we boys from High School,
With mankind,
While Springfield gleamed,
Silk-lined.
Oh, Tom Dines, and Art Fitzgerald,
And the gangs that they could get!
I can hear them yelling yet.
Helping the incantation,
Defying aristocracy,
With every bridle gone,
Ridding the world of the low down mean,
Bidding the eagles of the West fly on,
Bidding the eagles of the West fly on,
We were bully, wild and wooly,
Never yet curried below the knees.
We saw flowers in the air,
Fair as the Pleiades, bright as Orion,
-Hopes of all mankind,
Made rare, resistless, thrice refined.
Oh, we bucks from every Springfield ward!
Colts of democracy-
Yet time-winds out of Chaos from the star-fields of the Lord.

The long parade rolled on. I stood by my best girl.
She was a cool young citizen, with wise and laughing eyes.
With my necktie by my ear, I was stepping on my dear,
But she kept like a pattern, without a shaken curl.

She wore in her hair a brave prairie rose.
Her gold chums cut her, for that was not the pose.
No Gibson Girl would wear it in that fresh way.
But we were fairy Democrats, and this was our day.

The earth rocked like the ocean, the sidewalk was a deck.
The houses for the moment were lost in the wide wreck.
And the bands played strange and stranger music as they trailed along.
Against the ways of Tubal Cain,
Ah, sharp was their song!
The demons in the bricks, the demons in the grass,
The demons in the bank-vaults peered out to see us pass,
And the angels in the trees, the angels in the grass,
The angels in the flags, peered out to see us pass.
And the sidewalk was our chariot, and the flowers bloomed higher,
And the street turned to silver and the grass turned to fire,
And then it was but grass, and the town was there again,
A place for women and men.

III

Then we stood where we could see
Every band,
And the speaker's stand.
And Bryan took the platform.
And he was introduced.
And he lifted his hand
And cast a new spell.
Progressive silence fell
In Springfield,
In Illinois,
Around the world.
Then we heard these glacial boulders across the prairie rolled:
“The people have the right to make their own mistakes....
You shall not crucify mankind
Upon a cross of gold.”

And everybody heard him-
In the streets and State House yard.
And everybody heard him
In Springfield,
In Illinois,
Around and around and around the world,
That danced upon its axis
And like a darling broncho whirled.

IV

July, August, suspense.
Wall Street lost to sense.
August, September, October,
More suspense,
And the whole East down like a wind-smashed fence.

Then Hanna to the rescue,
Hanna of Ohio,
Rallying the roller-tops,
Rallying the bucket-shops.
Threatening drouth and death,
Promising manna,
Rallying the trusts against the bawling flannelmouth;
Invading misers' cellars,
Tin-cans, socks,
Melting down the rocks,
Pouring out the long green to a million workers,
Spondulix by the mountain-load, to stop each tornado
And beat the cheapskate, blatherskite,
Populistic, anarchistic,
Deacon- desperado.

V

Election night at midnight:
Boy Bryan's defeat.
Defeat of western silver.
Defeat of the wheat.
Victory of letterfiles
And plutocrats in miles
With dollar signs upon their coats,
Diamond watchchains on their vests
And spats on their feet.
Victory of custodians,
Plymouth Rock,
And all that inbred landlord stock.
Victory of the neat.
Defeat of the aspen groves of Colorado valleys,
The blue bells of the Rockies,
And blue bonnets of old Texas,
By the Pittsburgh alleys.
Defeat of the alfalfa and the Mariposa lily.
Defeat of the Pacific and the long Mississippi.
Defeat of the young by the old and silly.
Defeat of tornadoes by the poison vats supreme.
Defeat of my boyhood, defeat of my dream.

VI

Where is McKinley, that respectable McKinley,
The man without an angle or a tangle,
Who soothed down the city man and soothed down the farmer,
The German, the Irish, the Southerner, the Northerner,
Who climbed every greasy pole, and slipped through every crack;
Who soothed down the gambling hall, the bar-room, the church,
The devil vote, the angel vote, the neutral vote,
The desperately wicked, and their victims on the rack,
The gold vote, the silver vote, the brass vote, the lead vote,
Every vote?...

Where is McKinley, Mark Hanna's McKinley,
His slave, his echo, his suit of clothes?
Gone to join the shadows, with the pomps of that time,
And the flame of that summer's prairie rose.

Where is Cleveland whom the Democratic platform
Read from the party in a glorious hour,
Gone to join the shadows with pitchfork Tillman,
And sledge-hammer Altgeld who wrecked his power.

Where is Hanna, bulldog Hanna.
Low-browed Hanna, who said: “Stand pat”?
Gone to his place with old Pierpont Morgan.
Gone somewhere... with lean rat Platte.

Where is Roosevelt, the young dude cowboy,
Who hated Bryan, then aped his way?
Gone to join the shadows with mighty Cromwell
And tall King Saul, till the Judgment day.

Where is Altgeld, brave as the truth,
Whose name the few still say with tears?
Gone to join the ironies with Old John Brown,
Whose fame rings loud for a thousand years.
Where is that boy, that Heaven-born Bryan,
That Homer Bryan, who sang for the West?
Gone to join the shadows with Altgeld the Eagle,
Where the kings and the slaves and the troubadours rest.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 08-15-2012 07:14 PM

Re: The banks are made of marble.
 
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Originally Posted by Not Bob (Post 471565)
I thought he was going more for a William Jennings Bryan populist theme - "you shall not press down upon the brow of labor this crown of thorns; you shall not crucify mankind upon a cross of gold."

I thought it was just an acid flashback and he was groovin to unchained melody.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 08-15-2012 07:15 PM

Re: The banks are made of marble.
 
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 471566)
Thanks for the excuse to work this in:

Bryan, Bryan, Bryan, Bryan
- Vachel Lindsay

In a nation of one hundred fine, mob-hearted, lynching, relenting, repenting, millions,
There are plenty of sweeping, swinging, stinging, gorgeous things to shout about,
And knock your old blue devils out.

...

July, August, suspense.
Wall Street lost to sense.
August, September, October,
More suspense,
And the whole East down like a wind-smashed fence.

Then Hanna to the rescue,
Hanna of Ohio,
Rallying the roller-tops,
Rallying the bucket-shops.
Threatening drouth and death,
Promising manna,

and so on....

Woah, man, I'd forgotten that the Doors did that. Cool.

Hank Chinaski 08-15-2012 08:37 PM

Re: The banks are made of marble.
 
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Originally Posted by Not Bob (Post 471565)
I thought he was going more for a William Jennings Bryan populist theme - "you shall not press down upon the brow of labor this crown of thorns; you shall not crucify mankind upon a cross of gold."

The Dems who post here routinely will never admit a Dem does wrong, but even Ty on his most extreme day wouldn't ignore the actual words the fuck head said. Cheers to you! If you Dems can all agree to just ignore what your people actually say, then you'll get to a level of how they all ignore what these dems actually do.

Hank Chinaski 08-15-2012 08:39 PM

Re: The banks are made of marble.
 
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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 471567)
I thought it was just an acid flashback and he was groovin to unchained melody.

it really isn't funny.
I've heard "good people," really solid libs, insult Mormons without a thought these past months, and now this from the VP? You cannot stand on the altar of being anti racist and support people who carry such prejudices, can you?

Tyrone Slothrop 08-15-2012 09:08 PM

Re: The banks are made of marble.
 
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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 471570)
it really isn't funny.
I've heard "good people," really solid libs, insult Mormons without a thought these past months, and now this from the VP? You cannot stand on the altar of being anti racist and support people who carry such prejudices, can you?

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Not Bob 08-15-2012 09:09 PM

Re: The banks are made of marble.
 
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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 471569)
The Dems who post here routinely will never admit a Dem does wrong, but even Ty on his most extreme day wouldn't ignore the actual words the fuck head said. Cheers to you! If you Dems can all agree to just ignore what your people actually say, then you'll get to a level of how they all ignore what these dems actually do.

Oh, please. I heard the line (how could anyone who watches any TV news not?). Here's the exaxt quote:

Quote:

“Romney wants to, he said in the first 100 days, he's going to let the big banks once again write their own rules. Unchain Wall Street. They're going to put y’all back in chains.”
Hmm. How is this any different to the GOP talking about the "shackles" of government regulation that the Democrats impose on business? Should I Google for some colorful remarks made by GOP leaders about Obamacare?

And don't give me that BS that some pro-GOP opinion pieces/blogs are saying about Biden's speech being given to "a predominently African American audience." I've looked at the video.

Hank Chinaski 08-15-2012 09:44 PM

Re: The banks are made of marble.
 
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Originally Posted by Not Bob (Post 471572)
Oh, please. I heard the line (how could anyone who watches any TV news not?). Here's the exaxt quote:



Hmm. How is this any different to the GOP talking about the "shackles" of government regulation that the Democrats impose on business? Should I Google for some colorful remarks made by GOP leaders about Obamacare?

And don't give me that BS that some pro-GOP opinion pieces/blogs are saying about Biden's speech being given to "a predominently African American audience." I've looked at the video.

oh please. You ignored every point I made. He didn't say crown of thorns.

Hank Chinaski 08-15-2012 09:47 PM

Re: The banks are made of marble.
 
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 471571)

have you heard libs insult mormons, or say something hateful about them? I fired a right winger in part because he posted anti-mormon hate when he was hoping some hateful guy would get nominated. lib co-workers dog mormons in my lunchroom while celebrating the firing of my hateful guy.

Have you spread anti-mormon hate*? have your friends?

no?

*I'm willing to bet you have not, but you've heard lib friends do so. A month of board support?

ps is that skylar?

Hank Chinaski 08-15-2012 09:49 PM

Re: The banks are made of marble.
 
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 471571)

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Hank Chinaski 08-15-2012 10:15 PM

Re: The banks are made of marble.
 
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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 471575)

I'm counting this one.


HC

540-23

Hank Chinaski 08-15-2012 10:16 PM

Re: The banks are made of marble.
 
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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 471573)
oh please. You ignored every point I made. He didn't say crown of thorns.

I've won.

HC 541-23

Hank Chinaski 08-15-2012 10:31 PM

Re: Pepper sprayed for public safety.
 
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 471564)
Depends -- Disney World, or Lake Buena Vista Factory Stores?

never been to either- went down for gatorland.

sebastian_dangerfield 08-15-2012 11:12 PM

Re: Should 5% appear too small.
 
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Originally Posted by Sidd Finch (Post 471551)
Possibly right. But I may be spending too much time reading posts by my Tea Party "friends."

Ron Paul already won his election. He's altered the debate fundamentally. Funny to see that an old codger could manipulate the internet machinery so well.

That Ryan is where he is only accrues from Paul's (and others') decision to play outside the Beltway's private Hallin's Sphere of deviance. It was once, "How dare you question the New Deal and Great Society." Now it's, "They might have been utopian, and unrealistic."

Sad, however, is that Paul probably can't stand Ryan, given that Ryan has no backbone and voted for both of Bush's expansions of govt/debt (the wars, Med Part D). And in that regard, Paul's opinion would be warranted. Ryan appears to me an impossibly brazen hypocrite.


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