| LessinSF |
04-30-2011 05:59 AM |
Re: It was the wrong thread
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Originally Posted by Atticus Grinch
(Post 452165)
Where does it say David M. Hardy is a lawyer? Clients lie, and when the judge says "the Government" misled the court, he doesn't necessarily mean the AUSA -- he means the DOJ.
Also, I've seen the mischief that can be caused when a judge determines on the limited record presented in a trial that an attorney committed misconduct. Trial court judges are sometimes wrong about what happened in the world because we keep them in the dark and feed them shit for the purpose of growing mushrooms.
DOJ might have done serious wrong here but the plausible non-shitty alternatives haven't been ruled out. Maybe that's why no Rule 11.
ETA: "The notion that Congress would implicitly authorize an agency to mislead one branch of government and, at the same time, expressly prohibit withholding information from another co-equal branch is illogical." All I can say is LOL.
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You are right - "David M. Hardy, Section Chief of the Record/Information Dissemination Section, Records Management Division at the FBI" was the perjurer (putting aside any DOJ attorneys who were in on it.)
ETA: I have been in courts that interpret Rule 11 (Fed and following State courts like WA and NV) to mean that the attorney herself by signing a pleading is representing that they have done an adequate independent investigation of the facts alleged by their clients/declarants such that they are not merely signing off on a fraud on the court. I have seen relatively severe sanctions imposed on attorneys who "just took their client's word" at face value as to making an allegation, subject to be proved or disproved, and the language of the rule supports the position, to wit: that "to the best of the [attorney's] knowledge, information, and belief, formed after an inquiry reasonable under the circumstances" ...
i.e. you have a duty to try, reasonably, to figure out if your client is lying before you put it in a pleading and have them sign a dec. Here, I suspect Mr. Hardy would have told the DOJ (had they asked) that he was a lying sack of shit ( I also believe they knew it when they drafted his Dec.) Ergo, Rule 11 sanctions, if not bar discilpine, by any judge with a set of balls or sense of ethics.
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