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Adder 06-06-2013 01:17 PM

Re: Is it the crack of the pool balls? The neon buzzin?
 
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Originally Posted by Not Bob (Post 480124)
And, well, anything else that is too popular among the great unwashed. I am unashamed to admit that I like beer that tastes like beer (Bud! Rolling Rock!).

I love beer that taste like beer. But you have not named any of them. The beers you named taste like slightly sweet water. Beer tastes like any of a nearly infinite combinations of malt, hops and yeast.

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At the risk of sounding like The World's Most Interesting Man, I don't drink beer all the time, but when I do, I don't want to have something that requires a discussion of hoppiness that makes wine snobs seem like Guy Fieri. Make it cold and Midwestern* for me.
An entirely different issue is the weird fascination of craft brewers, and worse, craft brew drinkers, with only one part of the beer flavor profile: hops.

I used to say that I didn't get why each new craft brew tried to outdo all prior brews with more and stronger hop flavors. Then it was suggested to me that all those overpowering hops were a convenient way to cover up otherwise inconsistent flavors from inexperienced brewers and less controlled processes.

And to that degree, the beers you're lauding deserve some credit. They are incredibly and almost impossibly, consistent

But as someone who doesn't like his beer over hopped (what's the point of drinking a beer that makes you more thirsty?), I get frustrated with craft brewing's over reliance on hops and the western IPA style. What's the point of having 10 small breweries in town if for the most part they are all making similar beers?

Although I've also come to realize that the folks I know who like their beer hopped out also seem to drink it really slowly. So maybe my problem is that I drink too fast for the hoppy beers (and I find I can enjoy a Furious if I take my time).

Anyway, I'm sad for you if you can't occasionally enjoy a nice English real ale, German Hefeweissen, Czech Pilsner or something funky from Belgian. There are so many great beer flavors from around world.

taxwonk 06-06-2013 01:20 PM

Re: Is it the crack of the pool balls? The neon buzzin?
 
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Originally Posted by Not Bob (Post 480124)
Apropos of the re line, Shawn Colvin's "Cover Girl" -- buy it, download it, steal it from those friends of yours who kind of remind you of grown up versions of the characters played by Ethan Hawke and Winona Ryder in "Reality Bites," etc.

Anyway, I have decided that the criticism of "All The Pretty Girls" misses the point - it is a frothy piece of pop fun (npi), filled with empty calories, I'm sure, but so what? Since I heard and liked the song before I found out that the band is made up a bunch of pretentious dimwits, I can look past their apparent toolishness.

It reminds me (the FB sneering, not the song) of the attacks here on mass market beer. And, well, anything else that is too popular among the great unwashed. I am unashamed to admit that I like beer that tastes like beer (Bud! Rolling Rock!). At the risk of sounding like The World's Most Interesting Man, I don't drink beer all the time, but when I do, I don't want to have something that requires a discussion of hoppiness that makes wine snobs seem like Guy Fieri. Make it cold and Midwestern* for me.

In short, I would argue that the above song fits squarely in the "What I Like About You" and/or "Good Girls Don't" camp.

*Yes, Rolling Rock is from Pennsylvania and Bud is brewed all over. You know what I mean.

Carry on.

  1. Grown-up versions of characters from "Reality Bites;" no such thing.
  2. All wine snobs sound exactly like Guy Fieri; in either case you are listening to someone who knows enough to almost be dangerous.
  3. Total 2 on the beer. I like my IPAs and the occasional bock (Shiner's), but that's as exotic as I generally get.

taxwonk 06-06-2013 01:21 PM

Re: Towards A Virtual Williamsburg!
 
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Originally Posted by Sidd Finch (Post 480128)
We can do the old Irish tradition for Less --- pour a bottle of fine whiskey on his grave, and show how much we care by filtering it thru our own kidneys first.

potd

taxwonk 06-06-2013 01:23 PM

Re: Is it the crack of the pool balls? The neon buzzin?
 
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Originally Posted by Adder (Post 480129)
I love beer that taste like beer. But you have not named any of them. The beers you named taste like slightly sweet water. Beer tastes like any of a nearly infinite combinations of malt, hops and yeast.



And entirely different issue is the weird fascination of craft brewers, and worse, craft brew drinkers, with only one part of the beer flavor profile: hops.

I used to say that I didn't get why each new craft brew tried to outdo all prior brews with more and stronger hop flavors. Then it was suggested to me that all those overpowering hops were a convenient way to cover up otherwise inconsistent flavors from inexperienced brewers and less controls processes.

And to that degree, the beers you're lauding deserve some credit. They are incredibly almost impossibly, consistent

But as someone who doesn't like his beer over hopped (what's the point of drinking a beer that makes you more thirsty?), I get frustrated with craft brewing over reliance on hops and the western IPA style. What's the point of having 10 small breweries in town if for the most part they are all making similar beers?

Although I've also come to realize that the folks I know who like their beer hopped out also seem to drink it really slowly. So maybe my problem is that I drink too fast for the hoppy beers (and I find I can enjoy a Furious if I take my time).

Anyway, I'm sad for you if you can't occasionally enjoy a nice English real ale, German Hefeweissen, Czech Pilsner or something funky from Belgian. There are so many great beer flavors from around world.

Bud, for the most part, is a good Czech pilsner.

Hank Chinaski 06-06-2013 01:26 PM

Re: Towards A Virtual Williamsburg!
 
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Originally Posted by LessinSF (Post 480111)
I'm calling bullshit. (Not to what you Coltrane said, but to the whole chain.) Suicide is that person's choice. It may suck for their friends and family, but it does not, per se, suck. It's that person's life and they may not enjoy it, whether it is depression or Muscular Dystrophy. Sometimes suicide rocks. I will go the HST route before I am a quad with a feeding tube. Beyond that, I will go that route when I am done and bored with y'all. You don't own me.

Everyone was saying it sucks that RT must go through all this, which you seem to admit. As to your point that each of the deceased had an absolute right to take the action, regardless of how much pain it causes those who must exist after learning of the act, how do you justify it, in combination with your repeated insistance that Paigow, NFH and Penske's socks all stop posting because they bother you?

Adder 06-06-2013 01:41 PM

Re: Is it the crack of the pool balls? The neon buzzin?
 
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Originally Posted by taxwonk (Post 480132)
Bud, for the most part, is a good Czech pilsner.

If you mean Budvar, then perhaps yes. If you mean American Bud, then no, it isn't. A good Czech pilsner is not made with rice and corn and does not taste cloyingly sweet. A good Czech Pilsner is crisp with a decidedly bitter aftertaste. Pilsner Urquel, or for a local beer, Schell Pils are good examples of the style.

Although actually, the last time I had a Budvar, I think in Austria, I wasn't all that impressed with it, so maybe it's gone down hill too.

Sidd Finch 06-06-2013 01:46 PM

Re: Is it the crack of the pool balls? The neon buzzin?
 
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Originally Posted by Adder (Post 480137)
If you mean Budvar, then perhaps yes. If you mean American Bud, then no, it isn't. A good Czech pilsner is not made with rice and corn and does not taste cloyingly sweet. A good Czech Pilsner is crisp with a decidedly bitter aftertaste. Pilsner Urquel, or for a local beer, Schell Pils are good examples of the style.

Although actually, the last time I had a Budvar, I think in Austria, I wasn't all that impressed with it, so maybe it's gone down hill too.

Rice? Seriously?

Adder 06-06-2013 01:57 PM

Re: Is it the crack of the pool balls? The neon buzzin?
 
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Originally Posted by Sidd Finch (Post 480138)
Rice? Seriously?

Yup, not that this is a particularly reliable source, but it came up quickly.

As that random person says, my understanding is that they use other grains to give the beer a lighter flavor. Or as I'd say, less flavor.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 06-06-2013 02:26 PM

Re: Towards A Virtual Williamsburg!
 
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Originally Posted by Sidd Finch (Post 480128)
We can do the old Irish tradition for Less --- pour a bottle of fine whiskey on his grave, and show how much we care by filtering it thru our own kidneys first.

Excellent. But do we really have to wait for him to die?

Did you just call me Coltrane? 06-06-2013 02:31 PM

Re: Is it the crack of the pool balls? The neon buzzin?
 
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Originally Posted by Adder (Post 480137)
If you mean Budvar, then perhaps yes. If you mean American Bud, then no, it isn't. A good Czech pilsner is not made with rice and corn and does not taste cloyingly sweet. A good Czech Pilsner is crisp with a decidedly bitter aftertaste. Pilsner Urquel, or for a local beer, Schell Pils are good examples of the style.

Although actually, the last time I had a Budvar, I think in Austria, I wasn't all that impressed with it, so maybe it's gone down hill too.

Stiegl is my favorite light pilsner. For some reason, it's super expensive at the local liquor stores, but the same price as other craft brews at the local public house.

Pretty Little Flower 06-06-2013 03:21 PM

Re: Is it the crack of the pool balls? The neon buzzin?
 
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Originally Posted by Adder (Post 480137)
If you mean Budvar, then perhaps yes. If you mean American Bud, then no, it isn't. A good Czech pilsner is not made with rice and corn and does not taste cloyingly sweet. A good Czech Pilsner is crisp with a decidedly bitter aftertaste. Pilsner Urquel, or for a local beer, Schell Pils are good examples of the style.

Although actually, the last time I had a Budvar, I think in Austria, I wasn't all that impressed with it, so maybe it's gone down hill too.

Adder is correct. To argue that Budweiser is a "beer that tastes like beer" is like saying that you like the McRib because it is a barbeque that tastes like barbeque and you can enjoy it without having to get into pretentious debates about which Carolina or Texas makes barbeque the right way. Budweiser is a uniquely American bastardization of a beverage that has existed many many centuries in a form that has has almost nothing to do with what is consumed in America as Budweiser. And if I were a brewer of Czech pilsners, I would slap Taxwonk across the face and challenge him to a duel. I don't care if you want to drink Bud by the case (I will judge you, but I don't care), but to argue that in doing so you are somehow superior to others who have perverted real beer (Bud, Miller) into some pretentious craft snobbery shows an unbelievably short and distorted view of the history of brewing. And for fuck's sake, NotBob, putting aside whether fun. is pretentious or not, that song is like the anti-viagra. I am changing my earlier "Live and Let Listen" viewpoint in light of your affront to beer and now demand that you either stop listening to fun. or, at a minimum, never speak of it in public again. I have this horrible vision of you sitting around in a lawn chair on your front lawn in cargo shorts and a golf shirt with black socks under your Birkenstocks, drinking Bud out of the can and listening to fun. on your iWhatever and bobbing your head perkily to the beat, and it is filling me with an unspeakable rage. Stop this fucking nonsense right now.

Adder 06-06-2013 03:48 PM

Re: Is it the crack of the pool balls? The neon buzzin?
 
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Originally Posted by Pretty Little Flower (Post 480142)
Adder is correct. To argue that Budweiser is a "beer that tastes like beer" is like saying that you like the McRib because it is a barbeque that tastes like barbeque and you can enjoy it without having to get into pretentious debates about which Carolina or Texas makes barbeque the right way. Budweiser is a uniquely American bastardization of a beverage that has existed many many centuries in a form that has has almost nothing to do with what is consumed in America as Budweiser. And if I were a brewer of Czech pilsners, I would slap Taxwonk across the face and challenge him to a duel. I don't care if you want to drink Bud by the case (I will judge you, but I don't care), but to argue that in doing so you are somehow superior to others who have perverted real beer (Bud, Miller) into some pretentious craft snobbery shows an unbelievably short and distorted view of the history of brewing. And for fuck's sake, NotBob, putting aside whether fun. is pretentious or not, that song is like the anti-viagra. I am changing my earlier "Live and Let Listen" viewpoint in light of your affront to beer and now demand that you either stop listening to fun. or, at a minimum, never speak of it in public again. I have this horrible vision of you sitting around in a lawn chair on your front lawn in cargo shorts and a golf shirt with black socks under your Birkenstocks, drinking Bud out of the can and listening to fun. on your iWhatever and bobbing your head perkily to the beat, and it is filling me with an unspeakable rage. Stop this fucking nonsense right now.

You, sir, are an artist.

Not Bob 06-06-2013 04:18 PM

The barmaid is smiling from the corner of her eye.
 
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Originally Posted by Pretty Little Flower (Post 480142)
And for fuck's sake, NotBob, putting aside whether fun. is pretentious or not, that song is like the anti-viagra. I am changing my earlier "Live and Let Listen" viewpoint in light of your affront to beer and now demand that you either stop listening to fun. or, at a minimum, never speak of it in public again. I have this horrible vision of you sitting around in a lawn chair on your front lawn in cargo shorts and a golf shirt with black socks under your Birkenstocks, drinking Bud out of the can and listening to fun. on your iWhatever and bobbing your head perkily to the beat, and it is filling me with an unspeakable rage. Stop this fucking nonsense right now.

Topsiders instead of Birkenstocks (and no socks) and a t-shirt from my land grant football factory undergrad alma mater instead of a golf shirt, but your point is noted, commie.

Hank Chinaski 06-06-2013 04:18 PM

Re: Is it the crack of the pool balls? The neon buzzin?
 
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Originally Posted by Pretty Little Flower (Post 480142)
Adder is correct. To argue that Budweiser is a "beer that tastes like beer" is like saying that you like the McRib because it is a barbeque that tastes like barbeque and you can enjoy it without having to get into pretentious debates about which Carolina or Texas makes barbeque the right way. Budweiser is a uniquely American bastardization of a beverage that has existed many many centuries in a form that has has almost nothing to do with what is consumed in America as Budweiser. And if I were a brewer of Czech pilsners, I would slap Taxwonk across the face and challenge him to a duel. I don't care if you want to drink Bud by the case (I will judge you, but I don't care), but to argue that in doing so you are somehow superior to others who have perverted real beer (Bud, Miller) into some pretentious craft snobbery shows an unbelievably short and distorted view of the history of brewing. And for fuck's sake, NotBob, putting aside whether fun. is pretentious or not, that song is like the anti-viagra. I am changing my earlier "Live and Let Listen" viewpoint in light of your affront to beer and now demand that you either stop listening to fun. or, at a minimum, never speak of it in public again. I have this horrible vision of you sitting around in a lawn chair on your front lawn in cargo shorts and a golf shirt with black socks under your Birkenstocks, drinking Bud out of the can and listening to fun. on your iWhatever and bobbing your head perkily to the beat, and it is filling me with an unspeakable rage. Stop this fucking nonsense right now.

I think the NotBob sock has entered his "defiant teen" years. A few years back he wouldn't have snapped back at you about this fun thing, instead the CD would be in the garage sale pile. Now he is drinking watery American beer, which is how one starts being able to drink it.

Side bet? Five bucks says the waitress at the diner is going to get her keister pinched pretty darn soon.

Flinty_McFlint 06-06-2013 04:36 PM

Re: Is it the crack of the pool balls? The neon buzzin?
 
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Originally Posted by Not Bob (Post 480124)
Apropos of the re line, Shawn Colvin's "Cover Girl" -- buy it, download it, steal it from those friends of yours who kind of remind you of grown up versions of the characters played by Ethan Hawke and Winona Ryder in "Reality Bites," etc.

Anyway, I have decided that the criticism of "All The Pretty Girls" misses the point - it is a frothy piece of pop fun (npi), filled with empty calories, I'm sure, but so what? Since I heard and liked the song before I found out that the band is made up a bunch of pretentious dimwits, I can look past their apparent toolishness.

It reminds me (the FB sneering, not the song) of the attacks here on mass market beer. And, well, anything else that is too popular among the great unwashed. I am unashamed to admit that I like beer that tastes like beer (Bud! Rolling Rock!). At the risk of sounding like The World's Most Interesting Man, I don't drink beer all the time, but when I do, I don't want to have something that requires a discussion of hoppiness that makes wine snobs seem like Guy Fieri. Make it cold and Midwestern* for me.

In short, I would argue that the above song fits squarely in the "What I Like About You" and/or "Good Girls Don't" camp.

*Yes, Rolling Rock is from Pennsylvania and Bud is brewed all over. You know what I mean.

Carry on.

I would like to point out the fact that I will happily hum or sing along to Call Me Maybe, and that I buy clothes from Costco, so it's not like I live in an ivory castle and just deign to judge everyone's choices. Our castle is more grayish. This does not change the fact that you have awful taste.


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