Re: Squeeeeeeeze
 

Hillary wasn't branded as shrill. She was branded as a cipher, a criminal, a stuffed suit, etc. But I do not recall anyone calling her shrill. Which makes total sense because she's not even close to shrill. The woman is preternaturally cool.

If you're trying to rewrite history to suggest Hillary lost in part because she was perceived as a hysterical female, I have to call serious bullshit. Nobody thought she was weak, emotional, or unpredictable. It was her coolness and deliberateness that people criticized. The sexism there was a really shitty expectation that because she was a woman, she could not be a detached, cold pro... That she had to be warm, while Trump could be a completely emotional lunatic.

Re: Squeeeeeeeze
 

Shrill is mostly used by women? Nobody branded Hillary as shrill? Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!!!!!!! You are truly amazing. Can I have some of your weed? I'm getting a little tired of reality, too.

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I gotta take Hank off ignore.

Re: Squeeeeeeeze
 

Trying to have a conversation here? I feel you.

I recognize that the discourse in this country is degraded, or perhaps that it was never that hot to begin with. Stupid people can say stupid things, and other stupid people will believe them, and my trying to say something to change this is like pissing in the wind. I don't need you to tell me that -- I already have Facebook.

But this little place, this haven of erudite and witty people and also PLF, this happy band of formerly greedy associates, this is different. When someone on Facebook refers to shrill liberals, I let it pass like water off a duck's back, or more likely I don't even notice because I only go there to see Atticus's kids' bon mots about zoning and to use Messenger to talk to my friend in Sydney. But when you refer to shrill liberals here, I think, here is my chance to change the world just a small bit, to help Sebby see that when he says that he sounds like a cliche, like a mark, like a dope.

And I did! You get it. So thank you for that -- my faith in this place is redeemed.

Re: Squeeeeeeeze
 

WeRateGAs

12/10

Re: Squeeeeeeeze
 

Between this, PLF getting to share Sebby's dope, and Adder channeling Hank, I feel like this has become a real kumbaya kind of place. Drum circle, anyone?

Re: Squeeeeeeeze
 

You are completely wrong, as usual. She was labeled shrill and cold. She was labeled too emotional and an ice queen.

TM

Re: Squeeeeeeeze
 

I was just in the Moorehead MN, and Fargo ND. I don't know if you have good weed, BUT your gas station delis cannot do broasted chicken, so I wonder about the quality of drugs. Or does it get more sophisticated in Minneapolis?

Re: Squeeeeeeeze
 

I think this can be a teaching moment for Sebastian, and I am going to say this in the nicest way I can (because I really would like to get a little of whatever Sebastian is smoking -- it must be incredibly potent and disorienting):

You can avoid the embarrassment of posting something shockingly ridiculous by doing the quickest of fact checks. Do you have access to Google or another reputable search engine? Just like Adder did, type in a few key words that relate to the subject of your post as search terms, and you can almost instantly see if what you are saying is completely full of shit. If what you are saying is only mostly or partially full of shit (like the "no horns in rock" thing), then it may take some more time, and even some follow up reading, which I don't expect you to have time for. But if what you intend to post is something along the lines of "Trump never lies" or "nobody called Hillary shrill," you can figure out that you shouldn't post that shit in literally a few seconds. Unfortunately, your suburban PA cocktail parties are not going to cut it in the fact checking department for you.

Re: Squeeeeeeeze
 

I get that Krugman is not shrill. I don't think Hillary is shrill. But there's a lot of shrill liberals, and shrill conservatives, out there. And from a linguistic perspective, the word remains a perfect little hand grenade. You can call me a troll for using it. That's fair. Or you can call me a mark, or a dope. That's not fair, or accurate. But if those words have disproportionate negative impact (enhanced "bite")... well, in Booker's words, "bring it."

Re: Squeeeeeeeze
 

I can cross reference two of just about any words and give you three pages of google links (most of which are regurgitations of the same text from aggregators). "Ernest Borgnine nude" and "jalapeno cheesecake" each deliver ten pages of links.

Try again.

Re: Squeeeeeeeze
 

Well, we descended from kumbayah to your Borgnine-kink quickly.

Re: Squeeeeeeeze
 

Dude, you can't be gunning for a fight with the venerable urban dictionary, can you?

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Re: Squeeeeeeeze
 

When you (you, Sebby -- not you in the sense of someone) say "shrill liberals," could be referring to those liberals who are shrill just as you refer to those conservatives who are shrill, in the same sense that you could refer to Justice Merrick Garland just as you refer to Justice Neil Gorsuch. But you aren't because we live in a world in which the people who are dismissed categorically as shrill are liberals, not conservatives, a world in which you, Sebby, have never ever referred to shrill conservatives until you started pretending that you might in this thread.

I would call you a troll for using it, except that trolling is a choice, and you used the phrase without thinking about it, because in your own brain you tune out liberals as shrill. You weren't throwing a hand grenade. You were mindlessly repeating a stale cliche.

But you see that now, so problem solved, and it's time for the drum circle.