Sex Toys (Was Paige vs. Alex)
 

wow, so you say that your aren't being judgemental but yet you are sure based on your opinion that guys who would want to have anal sex with a woman wearing a strap on is gay or has latent homosexual tendencies. excuse me for being stupid, but isn't that judging people???

but in any case, i think that your reasoning is very spurious - there is a subsegment of the bdsm community that is into something called "forced feminization" or "sissifyication" - where basically a dominant woman will play the "traditional male" role while a submissive man will play the "traditional female" role. naturally in such a scene, the strap on would play an essential role. i believe that most of the attraction of people who participate in those type of scenes is that the traditional gender roles are being reversed and the male is submitting to the woman. but to get to the point, a guy who is receiving anal sex from a dominatrix with a strap on is doing it because he wants to submit to a woman - not another man. thus, although it is probably a safe bet that such a couple consists of a dominant woman and a submissive man, it is unlikely that the man is gay or bisexual (because it would probably be way easier for a guy who is into anal simulation to find a gay guy to do it than a dominatrix).

ms. naughty diplomat

of cockrings and buttplugs
 

I had a rather edgy sexual relationship with one former gf. She was rather skilled at the whole prostate massage thing, and done right, it is all its cracked up to be. After getting me comfortable with that concept, she introduced the idea of butt plugs and cock rings. Guys, if you've got a partner who is into new things, don't hesitate to give it a try. Her on top, with cockring and butt plug. You will see stars. We were going to try the strap on thing, but the relationship ended before we got to it.

Chickenshit (because the current gf sometimes checks out this board and does not know the extent of the prior relationship) Regular

Don't fence me in
 

And if you were big like me, you would add that your saying that does not mean that other people cannot have wildly successful relationships without sexual experimentation and thus should not be prohibited from leading what you believe is a sexually boring or stunted life.

Don't fence me in
 

Actually, you implied that anyone who feels the need to experiment should look inside their relationship ("It is possible that you could discover that another lover can "do it" for you without toys or a finger up the ass and maybe you would prefer that.").

I was simply disagreeing with your judgment about relationships unlike yours, not condemning your position.

I am happy you have found a satisfying relationship with someone you love.

Don't fence me in
 

that is only true if both people in the relationship are into having sexually boring lives. although that may work for your husband and you (although without his opinion that is impossible to know) it would not work for the majority of the people on this board or to the extend that surveys of human sexual behavior can be believed in the united states.

face it, kinkiness and experiementation are normal in a healthy relationship and just because you don't understand the appeal of something you shouldn't judge others for it.

ms. naughty diplomat

Don't fence me in
 

Who said anything about masturbation? :D

Don't fence me in
 

I thought she implied that it was her husband who is big.

Sex Toys (Was Paige vs. Alex)
 

Thrasher's argument makes no sense. It's based on both men and women having asses. Under her reasoning, kissing, blowjobs and handjobs would fall under the same category since both men and women have the requisite body parts to engage in the activity.

I've had anal sex with women* and it was always something to do for a change -- variety. It is tighter, but I don't think it's better than straight up sex or a blow job. It's just something that can be exciting because it's supposed to be taboo. I can't argue either way about having something stuck up my ass, though, as I haven't tried that.

Having anal sex with a woman doesn't mean you have gay tendencies. Having anal sex with a woman while thinking about Tom Selleck+ or Clay Aiken means you have gay tendencies.

TM










* Please note that not one of them was asian.

+ Since I was using closeted gay 80s tv, I was going to go with a Riptide reference, but who would have caught it?

Don't fence me in
 

First, I don't think non-kinky non-experimmental sex is boring. Second, I did not feel that I was being judgmental and if it came off that way I either didn't express myself well or everyone is being too quick to label. I believe that it is healthy for people to examine the "why" for things they do, whether sexual or otherwise. Having never said anything like "people who do anything but missionary should die," or "people who use toys are bad," or anything of that nature, I think the venom from the board is unwarranted. That being said, you are all entitled to believe and feel what you want, even if it means labeling anyone who believes or feels otherwise judgmental.

Sex Toys (Was Paige vs. Alex)
 

Who wouldn't have? Perry King, Joe Penny, a yacht, a helicopter, it doesn't get more very memorable than that!

trading spaces
 

Changing Rooms is so much better. First, it's 30 minutes instead of an hour, so it flies by. Second, Carol Smiley is cuter and more personable than Paige Davis, plus, Carol already was a topless model. Third, the designers seem to have more talent and get more input from the neighbors.

I'd never let the Trading Spaces crew into my house, but some of the Changing Rooms rooms look good.

As for the guy who can't stop his running moaning commentary in front of his gf, that's proof of a character flaw... in the gf. The guy's a jerk, but he's probably been that way since puberty. She's the one dating him.

Don't fence me in
 

So, we can gather that the anarchic haircut and punk sensibilities were all an act?

not7yS

trading spaces
 

The more you post, the more I love you. How do you feel about kinky experimental sex in every room of the house, if you know what I'm sayin'?

Don't fence me in
 

What does that have to do with sex? A haircut and certain sensibilities doesn't tell you anything about my sexual desires any more than it does my penchant for illicit substances -- and I only use that because it always pissed me off that peeople assumed I was some sorta druggie because of the way I looked or the music I chose to listen to.

edited to say that before you all jump, I was not assuming that people who like different sex are anything at all, I simply said that they should examine their "why." In that way, I am not judgmental like those who simply assume one thing must mean the other as well.

trading spaces
 

I agree. Except I would not let that sort of new-guy on Changing Rooms (name begins with an A, I think, I will have to go to the website to check - his name is Oliver) into my house. He puts up string and scaffolding in a room and says Voila and wonders why no one is applauding. Although he is kind of cute. But also gay, I suspect. nntawwt

The point of my post however, is until you pointed it out, I had no idea that Trading Spaces was a full hour. I just assumed it dragged. I think I have never paid attention to the time is because the only time I ever watch it is Saturday night when I sometimes look after my friend's baby and I don't really care about where the time is going. Thank you for pointing that out though. Now I feel exceptionally clueless.

Don't fence me in
 

What, and ruin the fun? How unsexy would that be. Learning about my mother's theories of breast-feeding was certainly informative, but there are some causes for things which are best left unexamined.

Sex Toys (Was Paige vs. Alex)
 

I've noticed that for some men, anal sex is bragging rights. I was mortified to learn that Mr. Kiss has discussed this topic in various company, including his brother (who gets it regularly from his wife) and at a bachelor party attended by most of our male friends.

of cockrings and buttplugs
 

This raises an interesting question: how much do you tell about your sexual past?

With my current, long-standing relationship, we have opted for minimal disclosure. He doesn't want to know anything about my past, though I ask him questions about his.

Don't fence me in
 

Actually, that is EXACTLY what the punk rock look was designed to do. It was meant to stand out as a "fuck you" to the status quo and to societal conformity. Just as the color of your shoelaces in your Doc Martens indentified which camp you fell into - of course dyeing your hair pink and sporting it in a spiked mohawk MEANT something. Especially back a few years.

You apparently did it to piss off your folks.

As I said - POSEUR

nopt7y(which is French for Asshat)S

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NCS: The great thing about sex is that people can experiment within the confines of a relationship with [blah, blah, blah].

Less: Fucking conformist.

NCS: I am much less of a Fucking conformist than Thrashers Fan is. Comparitively, I am a Fucking non-conformist.

Me: I think Less's point is that you don't have to be within the confines of a relationship. As long as everyone involved is a consenting adult, it really doesn't matter if you're on a first name basis.

Don't fence me in
 

I think people are now going to jump about the illicit substances part of the post. http://smilies.crowd9.com/otn/happy/ylsmoke.gifhttp://www.stupid-boy.com/smilies/ot...onedsmilie.gifhttp://216.40.249.192/s/contrib/ruinkai/smoker.gifhttp://216.40.249.192/s/otn/glasses/rasta.gif

Don't fence me in
 

I like the way this statement leaves open the FMF, MMM, FFF, FFMFFF, etc. possibilities with the use of the term "everyone." Nicely done.

Don't fence me in
 

Oh man, are we going to get into that "don't judge me by how I look/of course the way you look sends a message" debate again?

Don't fence me in
 

I don't get your connection between saying "fuck you" to the status quo and societal conformity and the necessity that one engage in kinky sex. Are you saying that anyone who didn't engage in various exploratory or kinky acts could not possibly understand the beliefs underlying the punk rock "movement?" I disagree with you. I knew many people early on (not early 1970s early on but late 1970s early 1980s early) who were actually virgins (GASP). I guess that means they were poseurs in your book. I had respect for my parents, they didn't interfere with what I wanted to do and thus what I did was in no way intended to piss them off nor did it.

"Le Petomane": Fill 'er up?
 

The pitcher/catcher discussion reminded me of a story ripped from the an(n)als of history:

http://easyweb.easynet.co.uk/~lofty/pujol.htm

[spree: story about a man, nay a "fartiste," who "by contracting his abdomen muscles, could intentionally take up as much water as he liked and eject it in a powerful stream"]

Sex Toys (Was Paige vs. Alex)
 

I think you're right. It's probably because of the myth that once a woman lets you fuck her up the ass, you've completely "conquered her." I've had discussions of the locker room variety, where guys who have been dumped say things like, "If she invites me to her wedding, I'll just whisper in the groom's ear that she likes it in the ass." The worst kind of insult I guess?

TM

Don't fence me in
 

Why would the "why" be any different for anal sex (or any other "kinky" sex) than for regular, mercenary position sex? The answer usually is because it feels good.

Besides, a male's distaste for anal sex could just as easily lead to an inference of homosexuality--perhaps he's afraid that he'll like it and realize he really is gay. Perhaps your husband should ask why he isn't interested in anal sex.

Don't fence me in
 

Oh gawd, you hung with straight-edge kids, didn't you? (though that really didn't hit until early-to-mid 80s, I spose). No booze, no drugs, and for the true believers, no sex? Fuck that. I'll hang with Sid Vicious and Johnny Thunders (oh, wait....)

trading spaces
 

I have not had an opportunity to see Trading Spaces but am a fan of Changing Rooms. One question I have is this: On CR they made it a point in one of their end-of-year specials to state that they have NEVER changed a room back and never will (I think it was in response to a question about the time a room was done up in red, white and black with a sort of bordello theme). Has there even been comment about this on TS and did they also say that changing back would be the responsiblity of the individual and not the show? This leads one to wonder what sort of releases are signed (in the USA rather than the less lawsuit-happy UK). Having seen people cry on CR before (not out of joy) I would love to see a revisit to follow the so-called friends when one feels that the other simply fucked up their house. The long and short of it is that you could be into some money to put your room back in order and would likely be especially perturbed if everyone is happy with the room you did for the person who screwed up yours.

Don't fence me in
 

Damn am I thirsty. I have an overwhelming craving for a Bud Dry.

Don't fence me in
 

Yes and no. I did know some but they were not the virgins I was speaking of.

Sex Toys (Was Paige vs. Alex)
 

I assumed it's because it meant the woman was a freak. But then I didn't think anal was particularly outre.

Sex Toys (Was Paige vs. Alex)
 

Or an additional level of "intimacy"--well everyone may have fucked her, but not there.

Sex Toys (Was Paige vs. Alex)
 

A friend of mine lamented during college that she had lost her virginity at age 15 and would have nothing special to offer her husband. She ultimately decided that she would save 69 for marriage.

"Le Petomane": Fill 'er up?
 

I forget where I heard about this guy before, but I seem to remember that the "show" became something of a family business. After the old man died, Le Petomane, fils (sp?) took over the act until it much like vaudeville, fell out of fashion.

Though entertainment of this ilk, like all things once fashionable, goes in cycles.

http://www.mrmethane.com/

spree: Website of semi-famous performing flatulist. Audio previews and other "fun stuff" -- use your judgment.

Don't fence me in
 

LP, as always, got my point. As for the ABBA's point, I remain two short of a threesome.

trading spaces
 

TS won't change rooms back for you either, but do allow you do say a couple of absolutely-don't-do-thises on the forms* . But I think the one time Doug or whoever put a pole in the bedroom to strip-twirl to, the couple blushed but looked pretty stoked about it.

You let some stranger in your house to remake your room, you take your chances, you got on TV like you wanted so shut the fuck up you babies!


*(leading to the famous crying episode, where they said "don't touch the fireplace" so Doug accommodatingly boarded over it and decorated that part hideously instead)

Don't fence me in
 

Yeah, I think that you got jumped on (and not even when the Thrashers had a scoring opportunity) b/c of the thought that all these people have some sort of homosexual tendency, when in many of our experiences that is not the case. Many people like to experiment with stuff that feels good. Suggesting that they are not at one with their true selves because of it comes off as judgmental. Even to those who really think NTTAWWT. Your initial premise (maybe they don't know it but they are gay) is counter to the experiences that I have had with gay people and straight people.

Last comment (really) is that I am talking about people who are open to experimenting and comfortable with their sexuality, not people who are running around cursing "faggots" or whatever. I tend not to associate with those types.

trading kayaks
 

Oh yeaah? I do TAX, baby. And all that that implies.

T(has anybody seen my calculator?)W

Various and sundry
 

Ok. Now RT has some basis for comparison. That's all I was asking for.

:D