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Pretty Little Flower 12-06-2016 07:27 PM

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 504365)
Plus, I don't think those are English. Looks more like those swarthy Mediterranean cukes.

Today's Daily Dose is some more instrumental funky ass funk from the Nite-Liters. Special funk bonus -- a gong! This one goes out to Hank. It's "Horny Man":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_52wNXcrb0

Tyrone Slothrop 12-07-2016 01:18 PM

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 
Tim Duy: "We don’t have answers for these communities. Rural and semi-rural economic development is hard. Those regions have received only negative shocks for decades; the positive shocks have accrued to the urban regions. Of course, Trump doesn’t have any answers either. But he at least pretends to care."

Adder 12-07-2016 01:41 PM

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Except that this isn't really true: "If we simply fall back on our standard numbers, we lose."

This election was decided by a combined 70k or so votes in Wisconsin, Michigan and North Carolina, all states with new voting restrictions. Which means, very small amounts of voter suppression likely made the difference in this election.

We can respond to that by emulating Trump or by trying to get slightly better turnout in the cities in these states next time around (among other options). I know which I prefer.

And the fact of the matter is we do have an answer for these people: move.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 12-07-2016 02:01 PM

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 
The most successful rural jobs program of the last couple decades is ACA. Hospitals are among the largest employers in most rural areas, and total healthcare employment increased about 25% over the last 8 years (not all due to ACA of course, but, still, that's a real healthy sector for employment).

The Rs are going to get to figure out their options now:

(1) Repeal the parts of ACA they don't like (that is, the revenue raisers), keep the parts they like (the expenses), and figure out how to fund the resulting deficit on both the state and federal level, and with the losses of coverage that result (e.g., "Repeal and Replace", also known as "Damned if you Do");

(2) Repeal ACA as a whole, deal with the job loss and the care loss, try to blame someone else (e.g., their usual approach);

(3) Keep ACA around, maybe even try the modest reforms that are really needed to keep it on track, and deal with their base. Enjoy those pitchforks, white dudes - at least you're covered! Of course, they don't view this as an option.

Good luck!

Tyrone Slothrop 12-07-2016 02:22 PM

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Adder (Post 504375)
Except that this isn't really true: "If we simply fall back on our standard numbers, we lose."

This election was decided by a combined 70k or so votes in Wisconsin, Michigan and North Carolina, all states with new voting restrictions. Which means, very small amounts of voter suppression likely made the difference in this election.

We can respond to that by emulating Trump or by trying to get slightly better turnout in the cities in these states next time around (among other options). I know which I prefer.

And the fact of the matter is we do have an answer for these people: move.

Trying running on the "don't have a job? move!" platform, and see how well that works.

Tyrone Slothrop 12-07-2016 02:39 PM

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 504376)
The most successful rural jobs program of the last couple decades is ACA. Hospitals are among the largest employers in most rural areas, and total healthcare employment increased about 25% over the last 8 years (not all due to ACA of course, but, still, that's a real healthy sector for employment).

Agree that health-care jobs are growing. Not sure how much of that is due to the ACA, since health-care's share of the economy was growing anyway, but it surely doesn't hurt employment to expand coverage. Also not sure that these jobs are in rural areas. In my experience, health-care jobs tend to cluster in larger population centers, which service large rural areas around them. For example, in Eastern South Dakota, the health-care jobs are going to cluster in Sioux Falls, where people go to get health-care. From your perspective, that may be creating rural jobs, but I don't think people who live in Eastern South Dakota will see it that way.

ferrets_bueller 12-07-2016 02:46 PM

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And the fact of the matter is we do have an answer for these people: move.[/QUOTE]

Good advice to desert dwellers and unemployed miners alike.

https://video.search.yahoo.com/yhs/s...2&action=click

Pretty Little Flower 12-07-2016 05:14 PM

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 504377)
Trying running on the "don't have a job? move!" platform, and see how well that works.

My political activity started and ended with involvement in a neighborhood association board, where I was able to make a surprising number of enemies advocating for what I thought were fair outcomes with respect to issues I had no personal stake in whatsoever. Today's Daily Dose is a slow burning groove from Cymande. Mighty Heavy Load:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQRkAoV96vo

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 12-07-2016 06:10 PM

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 504378)
Agree that health-care jobs are growing. Not sure how much of that is due to the ACA, since health-care's share of the economy was growing anyway, but it surely doesn't hurt employment to expand coverage. Also not sure that these jobs are in rural areas. In my experience, health-care jobs tend to cluster in larger population centers, which service large rural areas around them. For example, in Eastern South Dakota, the health-care jobs are going to cluster in Sioux Falls, where people go to get health-care. From your perspective, that may be creating rural jobs, but I don't think people who live in Eastern South Dakota will see it that way.

I think you'll find that health care is more evenly spread by congressional district around the country than any other major industry. It may cluster within a CD around the largest facilities, but even then it will spread out, so if there are 10% more covered lives in Wood Chipper, North Dakota, you may need another doctor to move out there and every few doctors may need another nurse or receptionist, even if all the specialists they send to are in Fargo. And it disproportionately helps places with high uninsureds, which is going to mean rural America (perhaps less so in states that opted out of medicaid expansion).

Replaced_Texan 12-07-2016 06:39 PM

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 
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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 504386)
I think you'll find that health care is more evenly spread by congressional district around the country than any other major industry. It may cluster within a CD around the largest facilities, but even then it will spread out, so if there are 10% more covered lives in Wood Chipper, North Dakota, you may need another doctor to move out there and every few doctors may need another nurse or receptionist, even if all the specialists they send to are in Fargo. And it disproportionately helps places with high uninsureds, which is going to mean rural America (perhaps less so in states that opted out of medicaid expansion).


Uh, here, we make people drive.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 12-07-2016 07:17 PM

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Replaced_Texan (Post 504387)

That'll weed out the deplorables....

Don't any of the regionals open up clinics or outpatient facilities out in the styx? It may not provide them with life saving emergency service, but it could attract some nice and profitable day surgery or maybe keep the out of date but fully paid up radiology equipment busy.

You guys also turned down the medicaid expansion money, right?

Tyrone Slothrop 12-07-2016 07:39 PM

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 504386)
I think you'll find that health care is more evenly spread by congressional district around the country than any other major industry.

Maybe so, but to continue with my prior example, South Dakota is a single congressional district.

Hank Chinaski 12-07-2016 11:12 PM

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 504388)
That'll weed out the deplorables....

Don't any of the regionals open up clinics or outpatient facilities out in the styx? It may not provide them with life saving emergency service, but it could attract some nice and profitable day surgery or maybe keep the out of date but fully paid up radiology equipment busy.

You guys also turned down the medicaid expansion money, right?

Isn't it pretty to think so? Atticus or Penske?

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 12-08-2016 09:54 AM

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 504389)
Maybe so, but to continue with my prior example, South Dakota is a single congressional district.

You seem to think you are arguing with me.

My point was that healthcare is a significant industry in every congressional district, including the most rural, and that this seems relevant to Rs concerned with jobs.

Tyrone Slothrop 12-08-2016 09:57 AM

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 504392)
You seem to think you are arguing with me.

My point was that healthcare is a significant industry in every congressional district, including the most rural, and that this seems relevant to Rs concerned with jobs.

You said, "The most successful rural jobs program of the last couple decades is ACA." I'm still not buying that health care jobs are rural jobs. If your point is that they're not, but we haven't done anything for rural jobs better than the ACA, point taken.


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