fun quote!
 

Mary Mapes- the girlie who tried to throw the Presidential electionwith her fellow traveler Dan Rather, you remember her right?

Well her book is coming out- I probably won't read it- but here's the money quote:

• “Conservative bloggers are part of the story. They have vilified me, mounted a “wilding” attack against me…we were, it seemed the first victims of a new kind of digital McCarthyism, which uses the same techniques as the old McCarthyism–rumors, slurs, false charges and ugly attacks

That this numbskull, who should be in prison for the shit she tried to pull, could complain of "the same techniques as the old McCarthyism–rumors, slurs, false charges and ugly attacks," given that that is what she did is funny! That tens of thousands of the Democrats will buy her book and sympathze show who the dumb ones are in the great debate-

what bugs me
 

Get a room already.

Overturning Roe
 

The Republican Party would be in a world of hurt if Roe were overturned.

what bugs me
 

Yep. That's what I figured.

Overturning Roe
 

I don't necessarily agree with this, but maybe I am overly pessimistic. It would probably hurt them in states that are already majority D, but I'm not so sure it would hurt them in TX or NE or WY.

Overturning Roe
 

It would hurt them everywhere, since it would mobilize Dem voters whose counterparts on the GOP side are already mobilized by the issue, and since pro-choice moderates would see their options actually limited.

Overturning Roe
 

Or so you guys keep telling us.
Yet, as best I can tell, California would be losing population if it weren't for illegals, Massachusetts is losing population even after illegals are counted, and Illinois is losing its employers and employees (read: tax base).

Seems to me, people are already voting with their feet

Overturning Roe
 

I don't see that making a difference in several places -- where there aren't a ton of moderate Rs, and even the Dems are pretty conservative. I guess they could start losing some swing states.

Vote for Bush's Nominees, or You Hate the Baby Jesus
 

Have I mentioned lately that I hate Republicans?

My law clerks are getting ready for finals
 

Perhaps he did, but without some more context, it's hard to say whether that was the "way" he meant.

Maybe so, if you're just referring to the U.S. troops stationed there, and not to others ready to be deployed, and if you're ignoring all of the European troops that helped defend Europe but whose numbers have not been matched in Iraq.

Even crediting our foreign policy for things like the demonstrations in Lebanon, on balance, no, relative to the alternatives.

Overturning Roe
 

Spoken like a true naively arrogant liberal elitist. The truth is once you get 40 miles out from the pseudo-intellectual salons of your Gomorrahesque enclaves of Berkely, Greenwich Village and Georgetown, there would be three cheers arising from the majority of this country. Scratch the surface a bit and you will see how its solely the imperialistic Judicial autocracy that has created and nutured this culture of death in America. 59 million strong voted for life in November, the Demos can't touch that no matter how shrillly Allred and Estrich shriek.

The Day of Reckoning is coming. Batton down your hatches and say a prayer (if you know one).

Overturning Roe
 

Again, you are living in a dream world and not paying attention to the facts. The Blue states are much more solid Dem than the populous Red states are solid red. If Roe is overturned and abortion becomes the defining issue it is all over for the Republicans nationwide. Florida is full of moderate Republicans that have migrated from the north. The southwest is all on the edge - Arizona, New Mexico, and Colorado would all become solid blue. The only large state that would stay with the Republicans is Texas. With Florida, Illinois, New York, Ohio, Pennsylvania and California all solid blue the Republicans would not be able to win the presidency. The South and the non-pacific west do not constitute a majority.

Overturning Roe
 

Thanks, I feel much better now.

Overturning Roe
 

And Western states that are growing are becoming more Democratic as they do so: Nevada, Arizona, Colorado. People who move from California, Massachusetts and Illinois to places like Nevada, Arizona and Colorado bring their politics with them.

And I don't understand what any of that has to do with my point. Politics is more than a series of exit polls. If Roe were reversed and abortion could be criminalized on a statewide basis, you would see an enormous mobilization around the issue on the left, comparable at the least to what you've seen with abortion on your side for the past three decades. People who already disagree with you would start to work a lot harder, instead of sitting back and letting the courts worry about it. That's one. You'd also see lots of moderate voters who are pro-choice, at least to an extent, who would feel threatened by the militant pro-life wing of the GOP. Right now, the GOP can play to that base and keep them riled up without doing much of anything for them. Has Bush and the GOP Congress made much of an effort to curtail abortion? No. And they can blame the Supreme Court for that. Without Roe to blame, they would have to take the heat for pissing off either moderates or their own most fervid supporters. I would like to see all of that happen, even though I know that it would make abortions unavailable to a great many people, because I think it would a better thing for the country in the long run. And I'm hardly the only Democrat who thinks this.

Overturning Roe
 

I've lived longer in the heartland than you have, my socky friend.