Roast Beef and Honkytonk/cowboy bars in DC
 

Oh how gross. Do the roast beef girls usually have brown nips? And are they usually darker in complexion and or hair and eye color? Maybe the swedish guy had the Bill Clinton thing- didht he have brown on his dick or something?

And for something totally diff that should probably go on the DC board but that isnt a high traffic place, and this board has lots of former DC people. Can someone recommend a great honktonk/cowboy bar in the areas? I love the Cowboy Bar on the Upper East Side that I think may no longer be there. Anything similar? A Hogs and Heffers place would work as well, even though it is so totally assjack. My inner redneck (not to be confused with my outer pink) needs a giddy-up

Great, something new to be paranoid about
 

I'll bet it was brown intermittently

Leagl,

Welcome to the new economy, or lack thereof. Oh, and welcome to Shitsylvania. This state wasn't in the black in the boom and certainly isn't going to be now. My advice - get out of here. The economy will be fucked for years long after you're dead and gone.

As to employers screwing workers, I think the shit rolling downhill principle applies. Nobody in this state is getting rich right now... save the psychiatrists and pushers (who appear more and more to legal and illegal counterparts).

I have work out the ass but no one paying for any of it. Trying to keep a healthy retainer from a mid sized business these days is like trying to siphon gas from a car with a leaky tank. You may get some on the first pull, but you're lucky if you get fumes on the second. And this shit ain't changing any time soon - all the indicators suggest that you strap in tight. A recovery this year about as likely as you getting up tomorrow and finding you're pregnant.

S(my advice is to have a drink after work today and concentrate on "living" for the next year or so, because no one is going to be productive)D

Roast Beef and Honkytonk/cowboy bars in DC
 

Paigow,

You say "brown nips" like its a bad thing. The darker the nips the better. Nothing is worse than those barely pink hardly-discrenible-from-the-skin-around-the-areola nips.

S(Georgia O'Keefe was way off... way fucking off...)D

Dicks in Porn
 

Translation: The last time I was on the bus, rubbing my thing against this lady's leg, I came all over myself when she stopped putting on her lipstick and told me to back the fuck up.

TM

Roast Beef and Honkytonk/cowboy bars in DC
 

Can't do much better than JJW (Jerry Jeff Walker) at the Birchmere on June 1. 3701 Mount Vernon Ave., Alexandria. I know its a music venue, but the music can't be beat and the beer is cold. So turn your inner out and your outer in and enjoy.

AR
 

Did anybody watch this last night? I know you did....

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I laughed so hard I almost wet my pants when Steve's girlfriend Amanda was walking too slowly up the mountain and he screamed at her "come ON, Flo!"

I don't really love or hate anyone yet, but the guy who led the NFL wives to the earlier bus tickets because he didn't want "those blondes with the fake tits" to win cracked me up.

I think I'll root for the clowns right now. They remind me of the brothers in the last season who were my favorite. And I want the "Dating 12 Years/Virgins" couple to last a while just b/c I crack up every time their description comes on the screen.

You are so depressing sometimes. I still love you though.

We are actually very busy, people are buying like crazy (go figure) and I haven't had time to focus on a job search at all.

Actually, I'd be thrilled for any advice anyone wants to offer. I've been in the same job almost 5 years now. I enjoy it, for the most part, it is a good job, but it saddens me to watch how upset some people have been made over the nickel and diming. I think I must be low maintenance because the stuff never really bothers me directly. However, when morale is low across an office, it affects everyone, no matter how much you try not to let it impact you.

I also, after 5 years want to try something else, and yes, I want to leave Pennsylvania, or at least Harrisburg. For some reason Harrisburg...not the best place for a gay, jewish woman. I know, I was surprised too!

So any thoughts folks, on begining a job search? I've started, with advice from someone who shall remain nameless, to narrow down locations based upon my interests. But I've never really conducted a job search, and so I don't really even know where to begin.

Roast Beef and Honkytonk/cowboy bars in DC
 

Thanks Carp. Are you that paralegal who is so dialed into the scene? I note a couple of things from their schedule

Jerry Jeff is playing on Monday, not Sunday, which is good bc I am doublebooked onSunday as it is.

Dar Williams, who I recall some of you guys love, is around for a couple of nights.

"Terence Trent D'Arby aka Sananda Maitreya"
Terence Tret Darby apprently had a sec change and got married and will be there. I saw him in some gay disco (not playing, just hanging) in Rio a zillion years ago. That explains a lot.

Roast Beef and Honkytonk/cowboy bars in DC
 

I've been called alotta things, but never a paralegal. Thank you for that. Its a great way to start a great weekend. As for who I really am, I am just a redneck mother (gender non-specific, of course) who is up against the wall with the London Homesick Blues.

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I agree with everything BL said, plus I love that the "sweet" fat couple kept falling down. Why do these people go on these shows? They know they can't compete physically (the air traffic controllers), they are afraid of heights (the fat mom), etc. Do they not watch the prior seasons? Plus, there's no crying on The Amazing Race!

I actually hope the models hang around awhile so we can hate them in all their apparent glory. It will also help ratings, making CBS more likely to renew the show with me on it, although ratings should be good this season being on Thursday in Survivor's spot.

Oh, and the NFL models are morons for using their Fast Forward.

Her Husband's Asian Obsession
 

From slate's "Dear Prudence" column:
Dear Prudence,
My husband has a thing for Asian women (we are both Caucasian), and I don't know how to handle it. Whenever we are out in public or watching TV and he sees Asian girls/women, he can't take his eyes off them. It makes me uncomfortable and really throws a damper on any outing. From the time he spots one, he is distracted. I had a good friend who is Chinese, but the friendship fizzled after I found out (from him) that he came on to her once when he'd been drinking. He developed a crush on a co-worker of his who is Japanese, but fortunately they no longer work together. I don't believe either of these women encouraged him in any way. I had never felt prejudice against Asians until I realized that my husband is fascinated by the women. Now his obsession has turned into my obsession. My stomach is in knots every time we are in the presence of an attractive Asian woman. In my husband's rise up the corporate ladder, he may inherit a secretary who is Asian, and it has become one of my biggest fears. I really don't think I will be able to handle it. This isn't far-fetched because we live in an area with a higher-than-average Asian population. I have talked to my husband very honestly about my feelings. He denies that he is obsessed, but denial is standard operating procedure where he is concerned. I know I can't change what type of women my husband is attracted to, but how can I learn to live with this?

—No Asian Vacations

Dear No,
Well, now you are both obsessed with Asian women. Their attraction for American men is nothing new; they can be exotic-looking, along with having the cultural stereotype of a docile, man-pleasing submissiveness. This, of course, is not necessarily the reality. As for the electricity these women hold for your husband, there is nothing you can do except put in some time with a therapist—and maybe take your husband with you—to talk about your fears and try to come away with a way to manage them. No offense, but one wonders why your mate did not marry one of these women in the first place. Your response to the situation may be extreme, but it is evident that you did not manufacture this problem out of thin air. And you must resolve this insecurity if you are to have any peace of mind. Get thee to a shrink.

—Prudie, therapeutically

What she needs to do is not hire a shrink but buy a box of condoms to protect herself--her husband's inevitably going to start nailing one of these women and it's unlikely he'll want to live out his fantasy gloved.


--PJ, healthfully

Her Husband's Asian Obsession
 

Plus once he goes there, it is only a matter of time before he is fucking men...

Her Husband's Asian Obsession
 

Wait til she stumbles across his Asia Carrere porn collection. I know more than one guy with this problem and they would never make the mistake of marrying a white chick. This guy must have grown up in Kansas or some other place with a stealth asian presense if one at all. These things dont just develop over night. It takes years of living iwth an overbearing neutotic mother. Or wife. Perhaps she should modify her behavior?

Her Husband's Asian Obsession
 

Like her behavior of being married to him, and ditch him for someone who'll notice she's there.

AR
 

This is by far the best reality show on tv. I predict it will take me at least three weeks before I can fully root for or against anyone, although I hate the models right now.

I like the clowns, but I think they're trying a little too hard (or maybe the show is trying a little too hard by picking clowns). And the gay guys? Enough. No one there cares if you're gay and you're nuts if you don't think everyone doesn't already know. It was nice of them to share their room with team fattie, though.

The father son team seems like a repeat from last season with the gay male cheerleader and the hardcore dad. I think they should have done the opposite -- gay dad, football son or something.

Thurgreed(they get to do and see the most amazing things on that show)Marshall

Her Husband's Asian Obsession
 

Like it's his fault that she isn't asian? He loved her enough to marry her despite her non-asianness and now you are advising her to divorce him over something that is completely her fault? Maybe this is why you became a lawyer instead of an advice columnist.

My advice would be to tell her to try to be more asian. Get a breast reduction, lose a lot a weight, bow a lot and wash his feet and stuff like that. Maybe their is some non-FDA approved cosmetic eye-surgery that she can get that would help.

Roast Beef and Honkytonk/cowboy bars in DC
 

Dar? Cool. I'll meet you there, paigow. You look like a young Joanne Worley, right? I'll be the guy who looks like Rockford.* Afterwards we can paint the town like Frank and Mia circa 1969.

*or Burt. I appear to have lost my Rockford avatar. I'll have to find a new one.

Makes you wonder who he was hanging out with underneath the sycamore tree, NTTAWWT.

Her Husband's Asian Obsession
 

After hearing (2), I'm not so sure I believe (1).

TM

Roast Beef and Honkytonk/cowboy bars in DC
 

And I thought it was just him and his massive ego... Sounds like the name has changed, the fans have moved on but the ego remains intact...

First album better than Sgt. Pepper?? Right.........:rolleyes:

Her Husband's Asian Obsession
 

Ya gotta love the people who start out a conversation on race by saying, "I wasn't a bigot until something caused me to hate and distrust all {blanks}."

It's as if they think the people who are raised by their parents to be prejudiced are somehow worse than the ones who become bigoted as a result of an irrational overgeneralization. "I didn't think much about black people either way, until one day one of them robbed me on the street. Then I knew." Whadda brainiac.

Roast Beef and Honkytonk/cowboy bars in DC
 

I'll see you both there, I look like a young Mariette Hartley, and if Paigow lays a finger on my Rockford I'll scratch her eyes out.

Edited to add that if you show up still looking like Burt (or Bob Saget), there won't be so much eye scratching.

The return of "small" fries?
 

West Virginia will encourage smaller serving sizes: "Biggie fries=biggie thighs."

I think they ought to lay off the pork first, though.

Her Husband's Asian Obsession
 

Well, given her pathetic husband is attracted to all asians, it seems that her blanket fear of his being in contact with asians isn't entirely unjustified. Not that the solution is to fire the asian secretary, though.

Great, something new to be paranoid about
 

Wait --- he's not dead yet, is he?

A(they can still see his headless body stalking through the night)G

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I cannot believe how stupid, stupid, stupid they were. First off, they were on the 2nd bus, so they knew they were unlikely to get eliminated. They are not long for the game.

This is definitely the show I would do. It looks like so much fun.

Her Husband's Asian Obsession
 

This is how she put it:

So her relationship with a "good friend" (her words) "fizzled" after she found out her husband had made a pass while drunk, but (1) her good friend didn't lead him on; (2) her good friend rejected his advances; and (3) her good friend didn't rat him out and instead had the discretion to regard it as a regrettable, isolated mistake on his part. She responds to his admission that this happened by dropping the good friend.

Her "blanket fear of his being in contact with Asians" can't possibly be motivated by the misbehavior or distrust of said Asians. It must be motivated by the fact that in her little stories, the only people who've conducted themselves honorably are Asian. She must be confused by their strange and unpredictable behavior. True, she'd be doing Asians a favor by avoiding all contact with them. I wish she would be less discriminatory and instead avoid contact with polite society in general.

Her Husband's Asian Obsession
 

Yes. It's usually easy to continue to be friends with someone your husband has hit on, even if it's "not their fault."

If her story is true, her husband has a fetish for asian women. Why is it surprising that she would want to keep him, and as a result, herself away from asians? If her husband liked 12-year old girls, would you suggest that she continue to invite 12-year-old girls to their house because to do otherwise would be discriminatory? From what she says, it's a blanket fetish. Maybe that's not the case, and it's really just two isolated incidents. But lets take the hypothetical as she presents it, rather than assuming she's dreamed up this fetish for him. (And, if she has, based on two incidents, there's no question there's a racial bias at play)

Her Husband's Asian Obsession
 

My point was that she assumed his only contact with female asians as he "moved up the corporate ladder" would be if they were his secretary. Surely there is a possibility he could be working alongside or under one at some point (no pun intended)?

And why should they be the object of her fear? He's her problem. Her blanket fear is misplaced.

TM

Her Husband's Asian Obsession
 

Ah. I like the way you do that. But let's go to the other end of the silly analogy front. What if her husband liked women in general and whenever he was around them, he lost track of his wife's existence? Should she be trying to keep him away from all women or addressing the problems they have with their marriage?

Keeping him away from asians doesn't fix the problem and frankly, it's a stupid idea because it's not possible. Admitting that you have a prejudice with regard to asians because your husband lusts after them is similarly stupid.

TM

Her Husband's Asian Obsession
 

1) I was assuming she knew that the head of accounts receivable at Mid-State Office Supply has a secretary who happens to be asian, hence the word "inherit". You're right--if there's no basis to expect him to encounter an asian woman in his work, except as a secretary, then there's a problem. But based on how she wrote that letter, I think that inference is unwarranted.

2) I think she said her fear is having asian women around her husband, not around her: To wit: "My stomach is in knots every time we are in the presence of an attractive Asian woman. "

Her Husband's Asian Obsession
 

I fully agree that her problem is her husband, not asian women. But, I don't see the racism in worrying about his being around asian women until they resolve the problem or she files for divorce from his sorry ass. It's an intermediate solution narrowly tailored to remedy past problems.

Her Husband's Asian Obsession
 

First, an attraction to Asian women is not a fetish.

Second, do you actually know any married couples with recurring infidelity problems? 'Cause usually it results from the man's racially undifferentiated attraction to women. And there's a word for a wife who tries to keep her husband from interacting with any women because the husband has an infidelity problem. The word is "divorcée." The fact that she hasn't thought to herself, "I should keep him away from all women" and has only thought "Aha! Asian women!" makes this both a doomed enterprise and essentially a racist one. She wouldn't be reacting this way if she didn't think that Asian women will react differently to her husband's approach than women generally.

If you're at a party and see a married man chatting up a chick with big tits, and then you see the wife swing by and grab him by the elbow and steer him over to a group of guys, you don't typically think that the woman is misogynistic. But it is based on the woman's implicit judgment that the interaction will result in the Other Woman agreeing to something. Married women don't stay up at night worrying that their husbands will ask and get shot down. They worry that there are women in the world who will say yes. I think this woman's obsession is based as much on her view of Asian women as exotic, inscrutable and wanton as they are in her husband's fantasies.

Her Husband's Asian Obsession
 

If she has a specific secretary in mind (which is possible), then I agree with everything you've said. No harm, no foul. But clearly, her husband is gay.

TM

New Sex Toys!
 

Y'all need a Trigasm Vibrator

Even if toy's were otherwise acceptable, I don't think vanilla fan would be getting one; it's designed to give you "a style of orgasm that comes from simultaneous stimulation of a woman's clitoris, G-spot and anus."

Employment Law Question
 

Okay, so my brother (a non-lawyer in his mid-30s) recently interviewed for a job. Word gets back to him that one of his references was asked how my brother would handle having a woman boss. Do all guys who might have woman bosses get this question, or did it only come up because my brother's Mormon? It just struck me as a bit odd.

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I backed up the Tivo to confirm that yes indeed, he did yell "Come on Flo." Priceless. They edit all that shit out of Survivor (talk about previous versions), which I think is a mistake.

I really like the girl from South Dakota with the potty mouth. I think the kid who thinks he's got the AR game in a choke-hold is going to get his ass handed to him at some point. I'm glad that all 3 top teams got the trip to Hawaii; I'd have felt bad for the couples if the asshat kid who they waited up for had dashed ahead to win the "stage-win" prize.

As far as the fatties go, they were obviously going to be the first ones gone.

Shame on the two So. Cal. teams for not smoking everyone else in getting from Dodger Stadium to LAX. Gotta use your home turf advantage, and they totally didn't. SHAMEFUL. And can you believe the fugly "models," lollygagging around? Free coffee? Thanks very much. You're so sweet.

All in all, it looks like it's going to be another great season. This episode was pretty humdrum, however. No breakdowns or crackups yet.

Her Husband's Asian Obsession
 

Atticus, this is bullshit. At least some women worry that their husbands will ask. Other women's saying yes raises a new host of worries (disease, pregnancy, hubby thinking with his little head and dissipating the marital assets, etc.) but for rational women who are honest with themselves, at least part of the worry arises from the propensity of hubby to ask, not of the other women to acquiesce.

If I see a wife lead her lech of a husband away from an attractive woman at a party, I would assume that she's making a not-so-implicit judgment about her husband -- and it goes something like this: "If I don't stop him, he'll either embarrass himself, or embarrass me." Edited to say, if the woman at the party is a misogynist, is your point also that every woman who worries about a cheating man is a misogynist?

And FWIW, I think you're reading racism into the letter where it might not be warranted. I interpreted the letter writer's feelings about Asian women to be reflections of her worst fears about her husband, fears which she has obviously been loath to articulate and admit to. The fact that they encounter a lot of Asian women in her city and his workplace is not relevant to his propensity to cheat, but does serve as a constant visual reminder to her of his propensity to cheat. If he liked busty blondes and they lived in So. California, she'd have the same problem; and I don't think it would be because she thought busty blondes were dumb homewrecking whores. The only difference would be that busty blondeness is not an immutable characteristic, but it's got a lot of the same misogynistic possibilities.

Otherwise, your point about infidelity is well-taken. Of course the problem is with all women/any woman, but she is projecting her fear onto Asian women because her husband has demonstrated a strong preference for Asian women.

The truth, of course, is that her husband probably will cheat, and it will likely be with a woman who is not Asian, and who resembles, but is less attractive than, his wife.

Employment Law Question
 

Mr. Lex has a female boss and occasionally people will ask me if he likes having a female boss. I tell them I don't know whether he likes having a female boss, but I know he likes and respects his boss - like people assume that men can't handle being told what to do by women - even if the woman in question is extremely competant, experienced, and a good manager. I'm not really sure if it is more insulting to the man or the woman, but it definitely doesn't compliment either.

-TL

The Naked Channel... Playboy, etc
 

SD is my sock puppet. I've thought that the same thing would work. Here's why it would stand out. If the Naked Channel existed, then men would have, in the back of their head, one nagging question when they watched TV, "Is this better than seeing a naked woman?" And 9 times out of 10, the answer is No. Plus, this channel would finally provide a reason to have picture-in-picture display.

Plus, I think you could get sponsors. Run them on a crawl like on CNN or Fox News. "You're watching the Naked Channel. Redhead Kimberly is brought to you by Bailey's Irish Cream." You'd have to have the channel as part of the Digital lineup because of the nudity, but other Digital channels, (BBC, etc) have commercials. Are you telling me that Budweiser and Coors wouldn't want to present Jenny, the shapely brunette, or Suzi, the buxom blonde, to America?

Two questions remain: (1) should the women be naked the entire time or should they strip, and (2) how much money does it take to start a cable channel?

Playboy has, untl recently, been bleeding cash. Part of this is because the magazine has to fight a two-front war. On the one hand, magazines like Maxim and FHM get stocked on more newsstands and have a nubile female celebrity on ever cover. On the other hand, magazines like Penthouse and Hustler have hardcore sex on their pages.

Leaving aside the pictorials, the editorial content in the magazine isn't what it used to be. Playboy used to have great articles (no, really) and would have interesing interviews. The editorial content in magazines has been on the decline for decades. Esquire recently cancelled a fiction contest because the submissions they received lacked quality. The magazines that succeed deliver short pieces, charts, graphs, lists, and other fills in lieu of articles. See Maxim, Entertainment Weekly, Rolling Stone under new EIC.

The problem is Hugh Hefner. Hugh had a specific vision for his magazine, but that vision no longer holds for his target audience. men 18-30 don't aspire to have a bachelor pad with jazz on the stereo where they can serve cognac to a stewardess while discussing Norman Mailler. Those guys listen to Limp Bizkit and want to find a girl with implants who's into threesomes.

Christie Hefner has solved some of the problems by having Playboy buy hardcore cable channels like the HOT network, but Hugh's lifestyle is a drain on the finances of the company and while lots of guys would want seven girlfriends, no one wants to be 70.

If I was in charge of Playboy, I'd hire someone from Maxim to make Playboy's articles shorter and more relevant to the demographic or hire someone from Nerve to make the magazine edgier.

Edited to add the bit about picture-in-picture