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sebastian_dangerfield 12-14-2016 12:44 PM

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 
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Originally Posted by Adder (Post 504594)
Someone purportedly interested in liberty should read this.

I actually don't disagree with that piece. BLM is not identity politics. It's a simple fact that our prison system preys on minorities. Full stop. BLM is addressing "facts," and that's the important distinction. It's Fact Politics.

OTOH, when Ty, or anyone else, says something like "Trump likes Russians because they are white, and dislikes Asians because they are not," that's identity politics. And when coupled with disdain and accusations against Russians, which this statement is, it's really bad identity politics. You can't aim invective at one group on the basis (an incorrect one) they're white and in conspiracy with a bigoted President (thus by extension possible bigots themselves) while decrying bigotry against other groups.

It's also demeaning to categorize people as "Russians," "Chinese," "Asians," or "Muslims" and assume one group is much different than all of the others. Russia's about as diverse a nation as any on earth, incorporating shitloads of varying religions and populations. What they aren't is an approved victim in the current lexicon of blindered liberal groupthink. Hell, it's even okay to paint them negatively.

sebastian_dangerfield 12-14-2016 12:51 PM

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 
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Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 504600)
I think there is something legitimately wrong with you. Really. Where do you get this absolute flaming bullshit?

TM

Take almost any story about there about Russians and swap in "Muslims." I know, I know -- when the media says Russians, it means Putin and the Kremlin, not the people. I agree. But just imagine if people threw around "Muslims" in the same way. Actually, we don't have to imagine it. People have done that. Many politicians and pundits have loosely accused "Muslims" generally of certain things, without noting it's but a tiny fraction of crazy Muslims who deserve criticism. And they've been slammed for it, unfairly. I notice no similar outrage when people call out "Russians" instead of specifically limiting criticism to Putin and the Kremlin.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 12-14-2016 12:56 PM

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 
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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 504603)
Take almost any story about there about Russians and swap in "Muslims." I know, I know -- when the media says Russians, it means Putin and the Kremlin, not the people. I agree. But just imagine if people threw around "Muslims" in the same way. Actually, we don't have to imagine it. People have done that. Many politicians and pundits have loosely accused "Muslims" generally of certain things, without noting it's but a tiny fraction of crazy Muslims who deserve criticism. And they've been slammed for it, unfairly. I notice no similar outrage when people call out "Russians" instead of specifically limiting criticism to Putin and the Kremlin.

Have you ever seen a shrink?

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 12-14-2016 12:59 PM

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 
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Originally Posted by Pretty Little Flower (Post 504592)
I'm not going to address the substance of your post because even bothering to note that it is completely ridiculous absurdist nonsense would be the biggest waste of time and effort that I engage in all day, despite the fact that, at 3:30 p.m., I am planning on spending 15 minutes exclusively devoted to watching a Nyan Cat video loop. So yeah, I'm not touching that. Instead, I am going to ask that we all stop using the term "echo chamber." It might have been a useful metaphor for about three minutes, but now it is just lazy and meaningless and hopelessly trite. The fact that it appears in every seventh post here should be proof enough that I am mainly correct.

Those every seventh posts you see are just classic examples of your confirmation bias at work.

Hank Chinaski 12-14-2016 01:04 PM

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 
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Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 504600)
I think there is something legitimately wrong with you. Really. Where do you get this absolute flaming bullshit?

TM

Yet two posts ago you agreed with him? Hmmmm....

Tyrone Slothrop 12-14-2016 02:48 PM

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 
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Originally Posted by SEC_Chick (Post 504586)
Even if Obamacare is not a total failure, can you understand why many feel deceived about what it is, versus how it was sold?

Politicians promise more than they can deliver. When you like the guy who's doing it, you're inclined to overlook it, just like so many Trump supporters don't seem to mind that he's walking back so many of his promises, or were willing to take them as puffery from the start. For example, the Trump voters in Kentucky who hope he's not really going to repeal the ACA.

When you don't like the politician involved, you go and find your news from sources that will confirm your views, and they don't give you the context, or the other things that were said that were reasonable, etc.

Specifically on Obamacare, there has been a very concerted effort by the right to paint the law as a failure. The media is less interested in telling success stories I'm sure there many people who feel deceived about it want to feel deceived, and others don't realize what the law has accomplished.

Tyrone Slothrop 12-14-2016 02:50 PM

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 
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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 504589)
"I can make a hat or a brooch or a pterodactyl!"

That's about all that shit commentary is worth. And that kind of talk, utterly unsupported and unsupportable, is what causes people like me - social liberals who'd otherwise be allies on many issues - to laugh at you hysterical Lefties.

By the way, Russians aren't monolithically "white." Russia is the world's largest country by land mass. They're every color you can imagine. And having that blood coursing through my veins, along with pictures of relatives from that part of the world with very tan and olive colored skin, I can say this with certainty: You are talking out of your ass.*

Were I a shmuck, I'd offer some identity politics here and suggest this thinly veiled hatred for Russians embraced by the Left is quite disturbing. That's what the clearly irony-challenged lot of idiots on the Left wallowing in those behaviors would do were Russians within their category of "Approved Victims."
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* My great grandmother and my grandfather both looked like Afghans more than "white" Russians.

A person who wasn't trying to be a tendentious asshole would read the second of my two sentences as an appropriate qualifier of the first.

I don't know why Trump likes the Russians even as he's bellicose to everyone else in the world.

Tyrone Slothrop 12-14-2016 02:52 PM

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 
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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 504591)
I don't like a post-fact world any more than you, but among the basket of deplorable journalists in this cycle, there wasn't a whole lot of daylight between WaPo and Brietbart.

That's one the dumber things you have said on this board lately. Which is saying something.

Tyrone Slothrop 12-14-2016 02:56 PM

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 
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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 504602)
when Ty says something like "Trump likes Russians because they are white, and dislikes Asians because they are not"

Go find someone who can explain to you what I meant when I referred to correlation and causation.

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It's also demeaning to categorize people as "Russians"
What if you're talking about the country of Russia? Is it OK to refer to its people as Russians, or is that not SebbyPC-compliant?

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 12-14-2016 03:32 PM

Re: Sebby is one of the whitest people I know
 
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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 504589)
"I can make a hat or a brooch or a pterodactyl!"

That's about all that shit commentary is worth. And that kind of talk, utterly unsupported and unsupportable, is what causes people like me - social liberals who'd otherwise be allies on many issues - to laugh at you hysterical Lefties.

By the way, Russians aren't monolithically "white." Russia is the world's largest country by land mass. They're every color you can imagine. And having that blood coursing through my veins, along with pictures of relatives from that part of the world with very tan and olive colored skin, I can say this with certainty: You are talking out of your ass.*

Were I a shmuck, I'd offer some identity politics here and suggest this thinly veiled hatred for Russians embraced by the Left is quite disturbing. That's what the clearly irony-challenged lot of idiots on the Left wallowing in those behaviors would do were Russians within their category of "Approved Victims."
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* My great grandmother and my grandfather both looked like Afghans more than "white" Russians.


Wait. You're not a whiter shade of pale?

Tyrone Slothrop 12-14-2016 03:37 PM

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CzqUa5aVEAEcqb9.jpg

sebastian_dangerfield 12-14-2016 04:10 PM

Re: Sebby is one of the whitest people I know
 
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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 504611)
Wait. You're not a whiter shade of pale?

Depends how badly I've been amusing myself. Sometimes, yes, I've been shockingly white... and sweating for no good reason.

sebastian_dangerfield 12-14-2016 04:12 PM

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 504608)

I don't know why Trump likes the Russians even as he's bellicose to everyone else in the world.

He thinks they love their children too.

Pretty Little Flower 12-14-2016 05:49 PM

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 
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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 504614)
He thinks they love their children too.

Calm down. Fuck you. You're so knee deep in confirmation bias, you wouldn't recognize your own echo chamber if somebody repeated everything you said back to you multiple times in steadily decreasing decibel levels. You're like 10,000 fake news story wrapped in one. Calm down. Funkadelic is better than you. Can You Get To That? I didn't think so. The Daily Dose:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rrOdcnFbAY

Tyrone Slothrop 12-14-2016 05:55 PM

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 
What I said re Tillerson.


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