These are all going to lose. Pure and simple. Here's why --

1. Nobody likes Schwarzenegger anymore, and he's tied himself to these propositions too tightly to undo the knots before tomorrow.

2. People are pissed that there is a special election in an off year, and they don't like the waste of money it represents.

3. The unions have won the battle for the voters' attention.

4. Nobody likes Schwarzenegger anymore. You can't overemphasize this point.

5. Some of the propositions have stupid provisions. If the union members can opt out why should they be required to opt in for political support ? That was arrogant overreaching by Schwarzenegger and only fuels the suspicions that this is a power grab.

6. People have proposition fatigue. They want the politicians to start doing their job, not running to them with some inane proposition every time they don't get their way in Sacramento.

7. Did I mention that nobody likes Schwarzenegger anymore ?

Whichever is the proposition that gives the governor a line-item veto, I might vote for that one. I'm comfortable you won't see another Republican governor in Sacto for about 50 years, so I don't see it doing any fiscal damage.

I don't understand what you mean here. As I understand it right now union dues can be used for political purposes. Union members can not opt out. Under the new law union members would have to give permission for their dues to be used for political purposes. Do I have that wrong? What is wrong with that?

The Legacy of Penske Socks
 

I don't read your posts on Politics. And I don't think I'll be showing up here as long as the thread title remains what it is. It's not that your Clinton posts are offensive. They're just boring. The schtick is played. Think Hank and Gilligan.

The Legacy of Penske Socks
 

Quite a conundrum. The longer we refuse to post, the longer the title remains.

So, time to start posting meaningless drivel in the spirit of this board.

The Legacy of Penske Socks
 

It may be drivel, but that doesn't mean that it is meaningless.

The Legacy of Penske Socks
 

Well, OK, so it's meaningless, too.

But where were the planes?

The Legacy of Penske Socks
 

what new incentives should the IRS consider? Or do you disfavor incentives?

Vote no on Proposition 73
 

A former Republican State Senator from Palo Alto (Becky Morgan) explains why people should vote no on Proposition 73 eventhough the Republican Party and the Governator support it.

Penske would a no vote ad to the culture of death you have been talking about?


REASONS TO VOTE NO ON PROPOSITION 73 – Parental Notification and Waiting Period Before Termination of Minor’s Pregnancy.


Proposition 73 on the California November 8th Ballot will require parental consent for young women to get an abortion. The requirement of parental consent for this very serious decision sounds right. But through the work that I have been doing for the last 15 years with Teen Success, a program for teenage mothers coordinated by Planned Parenthood Mar Monte, I’ve seen the devastating, dysfunctional, and abusive situations that too many pregnant teenage girls are facing.

Some of these girls do not have a parent to ask for help or permission. They may live with a sister or in foster care. The option of going to a judge in our overcrowded courts is scary enough for an adult; just think of what it would be like for a scared teenager who may not speak English or understand our judicial system. This process will take longer (if it happens at all) than the first trimester in many cases. And, there are teenagers who do not realize they are pregnant for several months. The girl may have been impregnated by an uncle, a step-father or friend of the family. In my experience, if theses young girls were to go to a parent they are risking further abuse. Ministers, doctors and clinicians can testify to this.

These young women and their parents, if they have one or two, are unlikely to vote at any election, much less on this important Proposition. I believe it is my job to tell their story and defend their privacy, medical access, and their safety.

Proposition 73 will also endanger physicians like our daughter, an OB-GYN, who will no longer have patient/physician privacy rights. She must report to a parent immediately upon determining that a teenage patient is pregnant. She must also report to the California State Department of Health Services if an abortion is performed, with or without parental permission. This exposure to potential investigation by anti-abortion fanatics is serious for all physicians, but especially for practicing Obstetrician/Gynecologists.

The people who do vote are those who, in most cases, have good relationships with their daughters. They simply do not understand the problems that exist for the young girls such as those that I see at Teen Success. I had hoped we were past coat hangers and back alleys. My concern is that Proposition 73 will leave many young girls from difficult family situations without good medical options. I fear for their safety.

PLEASE read the text of Proposition 73. It would put into our California Constitution definitions and requirements never before accepted by voters.

PLEASE pass this message on to your friends and VOTE NO on Proposition 73 – either on your Absentee Ballot or at your Polling Place on Tuesday, November 8th.

Sincerely,

Becky Morgan

The Legacy of Penske Socks
 

most of us have that sock on ignore. When you reply to him, you force us all to read something we would rather not see. Only reply to his posts in the most extreme instances, please.

The Legacy of Clinton Sucks
 

This makes no sense. You sit here and attack me, when you have no idea what I do or may be doing. I go into schools and assist the children of the underclass your people create and perpetuate. I fund scholarships so kids in the inner city can get educated. I have been to the pinacle of my sport. Twice.

Tell me again about your accomplishments? Besides fucking SEquels, Hank tells me she's easy.

The Legacy of Clinton Sucks
 

Harball? You're the Jackie Martling of rabid right wing political bickering!

This place is nothing more than a version of the FB with allowances for political soapboxing. 99% of what you write here could be an FB joke if not for the ban on political messages over there.

The Legacy of Clinton Sucks
 

This is funny. When your kids get shot and/or raped at CPS you will think it is really funny. Even the worst case scenario doesn't happen you do you realise that for standardised testing US kids fall in the midpoint of industrialised countries. We are poised to lose ground to India, China, Finland, and Latvia. But keep laughing as you sell America's future to hell.

And don't blame me, I warned you.

The Legacy of Penske Socks
 

thanks for getting my back here. And after I put in a good word for you with our fearless leader.

And why the hate? the babyjesus loves you and respects the spoils of victory. 5K!

The Legacy of Clinton Sucks
 

I read Penske (well, most of Penske). You have to give him this - he's got passion, and he's entertaining.

That said, the socks... they are not so good.

Maybe its me... I find the often-borderline-insane tilting at windmills entertaining.

And why try to kill Penske anyway? Thats like trying to kill Hank on the PB. You off Penske, and the board crumbles.

Tip to Penske - The Clinton bashing is a little played out, and the wacky graphics from wesbites Townhall.com views as too far right are pretty lame.

The Legacy of Penske Socks
 

In fairness go back and look at the K. I didn't spam to get it. I didn't even realise I had it for about an hour. You gotta be in it to win it.

Also, there is plenty of fodder for discussion in my posts, it just offends your myopic defensiveness of the Clintons and their liberal minions so you choose to ignore it. while the liberals destroy our nation.

The Legacy of Penske Socks
 

None. Flat tax. Postcard style. what's good enough for Russia should be good enough for us.

Vote no on Proposition 73
 

Yes. sorry. I am with you on those other ones though.

The Legacy of Penske Socks
 

2.

The Legacy of Clinton Sucks
 

What is your point? I inspired the PB? We know that, ancient GA history. Let's move on and discuss the liberal destruction of our nation and its culture, yes?

The Legacy of Clinton Sucks
 

I won't blame you. You're an educated well paid Republican who votes in his economic interests.

Who I will blame are the unwashed rubes who your party keeps even more ignorant and/or misinformed than they were to begin with. By allowing a whole swath of white trash in this country to believe creationism is a scientific theory and that we are in the midst of a crusade against Islam, and that Church and State Separation is myth, your (and once my) party is helping to keep a large percentage of us far behind India, China, et al.

If you want to cure education, the first step is teaching kids MORE SCIENCE, not waging war on science.

The Legacy of Clinton Sucks
 

Fair enough. I accept your kudos and brickbats with equal graciousness and appreciation.

FWIW, with Slave or RT as my witness I barely sock anymore and haven't in several months. there might be an oddball one here and there, but rare.

The Legacy of Clinton Sucks
 

Oy veh... Will you admit that the wrecking of our nation is a bipartisan endeavor? I mean, come on... Neither party is entirely responsible for where we find ourselves. In fact, I'd suggest the people themselves, rather than the parties, are most responsible for their dire straits. We just don't want to admit that; much easier to blame a politician. Blame, blame, blame.

We're where we are because we're lazy and greedy and short-sighted. Those are neither exclusively GOP nor Dem traits. Its us.

The Legacy of Penske Socks
 

Wrongo. While the first claim is fair--there's a decent amount of substance--your problem is you bury it in drivel. Unfortunately, there's no tivo for the board so that I can skip right to the money shot.

Please point me to a post of mine in which I defend Clinton and his liberal minions.

The Legacy of Penske Socks
 

You'll get your cite right after he explains to me Where the Plane Were!

The Legacy of Clinton Sucks
 

In the urban centers of America, your people would have to let the underclass off of its political plantation and kick the teacher's unions out before there will be any meaningful reform or improvement, but keep jousting at the babyjesi, as your irreverance gaurantees that the Rs will hold control of the government for scores to come. NPI.

The Legacy of Clinton Sucks
 

2. It is government by the people and we have failed ourselves by the selection of leaders we have made and our lax oversight of them.

The Legacy of Penske Socks
 

You failure to call them to account is tacit support. It allows them to continue to operate as if they were legitimate political actors and not felonious agents of the RedChinese.

The Legacy of Penske Socks
 

I agree you are an idiot and a shameful one at that.

The Legacy of Clinton Sucks
 

Oh, don't let my criticism of the Right suggest the Left has done nothing wrong. I agree with you that the left - and particularly unions - have contributed to the problems.

The problems as I see them are that:

(a) Everyone is greedy (unions, wealth redistributors and CEOs) with no thought to long term consequences (the attitude is "grab all you can while you can do so"); and

(b) Everyone is lazy ("I'll just goose the stock rather than actually retool the company... I'm paid in stock anyway" or "I'm poor because someone else is rich - I want that rich person's money... I deserve it, notwithstanding that I have no degree and have taken no risk in the form of getting schooling to increase my economic value... I deserve a Lexus, too!).

A is more a GOP caused problem. B is more a Democrat problem.

The Legacy of Clinton Sucks
 

Now I get it. Your kids are too stupid to outtest the competition. That's why you're concerned. That's sad. My kids (if I ever have any) will be fine. Yours will probably follow you to the nuthouse. At least you'll have someone to talk to.

The Legacy of Clinton Sucks
 

Penske's "kids" will be fine. Thet are of above average intelligence and will be taller than him to boot.

The Legacy of Clinton Sucks
 

Good. I'll hire them to mow my lawn. And it would be difficult for them to be shorter than him.

The Legacy of Clinton Sucks
 

In defense of Mr. Penske, I note that we do not torture people in America, and so his postings cannot constitute torture.

The Legacy of Clinton Sucks
 

You don't even own a TV. What lawn you own? The demos are holding you down.

The Legacy of Clinton Sucks
 

Your ignorance is exceeded only by your baseless arrogance. I'm not worried about my kid's education, as they go to private school, not public, numbnuts. I am worried about the damage clowns like you do to the kids who you force unto your plantation schools and then deny a meaningful education to.

That's what is sad.

I am addressing those issues in the real world on a daily basis by working to assist underprivileged kids who your crowd racistly and oppressively marginalises to have some opportunity for hope. What are you doing other than posting this ad hominen cat shit while sticking your head in the sand and pretending a major problem caused by the dimwits doesn't exist?

The Legacy of Clinton Sucks
 

At most distances they will probably be faster than your kids.

The Legacy of Clinton Sucks
 

Finally you pick up on it. I was getting annoyed by how long this was taking. I thought you would have noticed it sooner.

You don't like your own medicine, do you? You don't like it when people personally insult you instead of addressing the issues, do you? Do you get it now, you ignorant motherfucker?

You just got played.

The Legacy of Clinton Sucks
 

Doubtful. Sequels ran a mean leg in the 4X400 in college.

The Legacy of Clinton Sucks
 

Nice try, but the jedi mind trick won't work on me. I'm OBE from back in the day, the dark side of that force precludes your girly-man tactics from working on me.

The Legacy of Clinton Sucks
 

You mean you just realize that he's nutless?

Where are the planes?