Women Wearing Pants
 

My mom says that she and a few other women caused a minor scandal at their work in the mid to late sixties when they started wearing trousers to work. She says that it was practically unheard of at the time, though trousers were much more pratical in the labs they were working in.

Women Wearing Pants
 

Hell, it could still shock a fair number of folks in New England. But the idea that someone should have to wear a skirt and hose on a blustery 5 degree day with snow and frigid wind blowing up the works is just ludicrous.

convenient tropes
 

When their executive editor of American Lawyer writes back to us and explains that he deems our arguments "petty and childish" - you get the impression that any article on us from them wasn't going to be impartial.

not7yS

Mmmm.....Salty
 

just wondering
 

Was ThrashersFan here before JustForFun stopped hanging around?

worse than wearing trousers
 

http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/africa...ing/index.html

spree -- woman to be stoned to death for having a child more than 9 months after she divorced

n(cancel that tour of Nigeria!)cs

Edited to say I look just like my avatar in real life, only my hair isn't quite that red...

yesterday's article
 

The folks at amlaw were concerned that we have attacked their reporter's honesty, I told them that I would make it clear it was my opinion, and that I had been careful to use words like feel and believe. They disagreed, felt we didn't divide up the two well. I appreciate that, though I am not sure I agree. Still, I want to be fair, so: Everything I have said about the article and Ms. Smith has been my opinion.

Now, in an email exchange I learned some more information, which is the second purpose of this post.

In his email expressing his concern the person felt we could have disagreed with the article without attacking the integrity of Ms. Smith. I understand why he feels this way, but I disagree. I disagree because it is my opinion that it is the integrity of the story and the reporting that is lacking.

This person said he is the one who decided to focus on West (something I don't think particularly bothered any of us) and boil it down to the cursing (which is I believe the meat of the problem here.) You should also know he told me that he felt our reasons were childish and petty, which is why he chose to boil them down to cursing. Or at least that is how I interpreted what he said to me.

More's the pity that this is the basis for our relationship with this news organization. We could have had a useful and mutually beneficial relationship. What a shame.

Shock the monkey, or I'm shocked to find gambling going on at this casino.
 

You know, one of the things that I hate the most about being a lawyer is that it takes the fun out of simple entertainment. If he shot the guy in Reno, what's he doing in a California state prison? Obviously he did something in California too, but what? Did he do time for the shooting too? Did he get caught for the shooting in Nevada? When he gets out of Folsom, will he then have to serve time for the shooting?

All I know is that it's going to be a long time before he's moving farther down the line.

What do you drink?
 

FWIW, these were British & Canadian doctors. An imperial pint is 20 oz.

yesterday's article
 

Her name was on the byline, she's the only person that we have had any contact with, and we had no reason at all to assume that she did not write the story. Either she is a shitty reporter who didn't give both sides to the story, or the publication is a shitty publication that wastes their reporters' time by sending them after stories that they're not going to publish anyway. If he's boiling down the story and wants to deflect the ire from his reporter, he should have fucking put his name on the byline.

just wondering
 

I don't know, but I do know that I am not anyone's sock. I was also registered at the "old board" but never said much. I watched this new one for a little while and finally registered because it looked like fun to join in the fray. I have never been JustForFun or anyone else.:)

Booze
 

Thrashers Fan: "this stuff is 7.5% alcohol -- they measure it to the legal 5.5% prior to icing and apparently the icing process increases the alcohol content -- at only 110 calories."

This is a chemical impossibility. One gram of ethyl alcohol yields 7 calories of energy when metabolized by the body. That converts to about 100 calories per drink equivalent (a 12 oz. 4% beer, 5 oz. glass of wine, or 1.25 oz. shot) solely from the alcohol and not considering the calories from other components of the beverage (residual sugars or grains in beers and wines, for example). Thus, one cannot physically create a 7.5% 12 oz. beer with only 110 calories. If Bud Ice Light is 110 calories, it cannot be more than about 4.5% alcohol. See e.g. http://www.theraven.com/beer.html (caloric and alcoholic contents of 200 beers).

For an excelent discussion of alcohol measurments, potency, calories, and how measurement by weight or volume can make a significant difference, see http://www.drugs.indiana.edu/publica.../alcdoses.html

While we are at it, lets also dispel some of the rumors about alcohol causing weight gain. Although it can affect metabolism and be burned instead of fat - http://www.thefactsaboutfitness.com/...ch/alcohol.htm - studies find that alcohol consumption actually tends to reduce weight - http://www2.potsdam.edu/alcohol-info...AndWeight.html

yesterday's article
 

I can see why some people (particularly those who are older and less tech-savvy) might jump to the conclusion that because this is an internet chat board, the users must be younger, but I can attest that there are a fair number of partner types around these parts. Maybe if they had understood that we here are his target audience, and not school children, they might have been less patronizing.

Booze
 

Well, yeah, if waking up in a bathtub in Istanbul minus one kidney counts as weight loss.

Shock the monkey, or I'm shocked to find gambling going on at this casino.
 

sadly enough, i have wondered the exact same thing. i finally decided that he was in prison for something else but mentioned the shooting in reno because it was the worst crime that he ever did but for some unknown reason he got away with. i guess the real explaination is that there aren't many recognizable two syllable town or city names in california - i guess that barstow or needles could work, but reno does sound cooler.

of course, i also have checked to see if there was another reno in california before (if there is it wasn't on my map) so maybe i just take song lyrics too seriously.

ms. naughty diplomat

and Reality TV
 

Oh, for Love and Money was bloated. It looked, felt and sounded like The Bachelor/Bachelorette/JoeMillionaire. The same approach to the nice house by limo; the same slumber party of girls; the same tall, good-looking, quasi-successful dude in a tux; the same elimination ceremony; the same lame-o dork explaining the obvious to the dude and the ladies. The editing looked the same. The music sounded the same. Yet, for 2 full hours of it, we only saw him actually talk to the girls for maybe 15 minutes and that consisted of "It was really nice to meet you. I'd like to get to know you better" over and over again.

That said, I will probably watch it again because the best part about these shows is the bitchy, catty, drunk, drooling, behavior that happens in the middle and it looks like it starts next week. The beginning (last night) sucks and the end (i.e. will Aaron's family like Helene?) sucks. Also, this is probably the best looking group of women they have accumulated for one of these shows. I realize now that I should have watched with the sound off last night.

Booze
 

Don't know what to tell you. It was explained to me by someone who works for AB that the icing process increases the alcohol content in a way that I didn't understand enough to explain it -- something about the fact that water gets removed or something. He told me that it was 7.5%. I also know that there is a difference between percentage by weight and percentage by volume (I think the latter being higher) and that could be the confusion.

Booze
 

Well, budweiser's in big-time trouble what with the false advertising. Miller I could understand, what with being owned by Philip Morris.

Percentage by volume is higher, since alcohol is lighter than water. The 3.2% beer in utah is 3.2% by weight, which translates to about 4.0%.

I think you just need to go out and get youself a 40 of F'd Up malt liquor.

BTW, anyone been on the AB "brewery" tour? Best part is certainly not the tasting room. To me it was learning that "beechwood aged" means that they chuck a bunch of wood strips (beechwood strips, mind you), into the ginormous steel tanks that the beer "ages" in for 118 minutes (or whatever).

Mmmm . . . brewery fresh.

Booze
 

Actually, the best part is sneaking into Busch Gardens without paying.

Not that I sanction stealing, which is what that would be ...

What do you drink?
 

I am late to this, but, where I live, you can get pretty decent beer for $.75 a bottle or so if you buy it at the warehouse store. How much is Bud Ice? Seriously, if you drink that much beer, why not drink some better stuff? If price is that big of a deal, you should brew your own. It is really easy, really cheap, and you can make a great-tasting American pilsner with low calories for fractions of the price of Bud Ice.

mmm

yesterday's article
 

As a former journalist I find this incredibly childish and wrong of AmLaw. It is one thing to write a trash piece; its quite another to then engage in a discussion defending it with the people you've trashed, even when they attempt to establish the dialog. The correct answer is simply, "We're sorry you were unhappy about our coverage. We would be happy to publish a letter to the editor so long as it meets the printed criteria for such letters" [which may include requiring signatures or no profanity, etc., I haven't looked at AmLaw's rules in particular]. And that's it.

If Ms. Smith is upset because she feels she was improperly maligned because of the editor's edits, that's an internal matter and/or she needs to grow up. If they are concerned about the fact they've now irritated a community of lawyers who will be reluctant to give quotes and information in the future, perhaps they should have thought about that earlier.

I for one, in the unlikely event I am ever contacted by Ms. Smith (or anyone else at AmLaw) will be reluctant to share any information, on or off the record.

yesterday's article
 

So, he was essentially he felt free to ignore alternative sides of the story or the direct statements of the persons involved because it was an opinion piece?
It is your opinion that he told you it was just an opinion piece?

At least we know why journalists are the least trusted profession in the US (down there with politicians and car salesmen, and well below lawyers).

FWIW, I communicated, pseudonomynously, via e-mail with Smith, the substance of which wasn't reflected, which doesn't annoy me or surprise me and frankly rather relieved me because I don't trust journalists, though I feel an odd obligation to try to help them do their jobs when they are inquiring into a subject of legitimate interest. But, in the interests of disclosure, like others, I did tell her (of my opinion) that (i) FL indicated to us, to the extent it deigned to discuss it at all, that the primary problem wasn't cursing per se but personal attacks on and abuse of named individuals, including partners, which abuse often involved cursing and (ii) the concern of GAs wasn't really about cursing but substantive content censorship, which concern wasn't addressed by FL. To quote direct: "So, various people set up alternative boards where they felt there would be less concern about censorship, which is a very touchy subject for Greedy Associates since the entire premise of the community is the free exchange of information that bigwigs in the legal industry don't necessarily want us to have."

To their credit, however, they did post the correct address of this site, which is more than they have done in the past when they quoted Infirm posts but linked to greedyassociates.com.

Booze
 

Interesting that Bud Ice is higher than Bud (5.5 vs. 5.0) but Bud Ice Light is lower than Bud Light (4.1 vs. 4.2). I had no idea before this discussion began that Ice beer was even sold any longer. And here I thought that was sooo 1997.

Booze
 

Zima's still sold, too. So November 1992.

Mmmmmm, beer
 

With all this discussion about beer, I think it's time for a Law Talkers field trip to . . . .

DUFF GARDENS.

I'm looking forward to hanging out with the Seven Duffs and visiting the Beer Hall of Presidents. Let's meet up at the "Little land of Duff" ride. If you forget your Beer Goggles, you can buy them at the souvenir stand.

str(Surly looks out for one thing: Surly)8

Shock the monkey, or I'm shocked to find gambling going on at this casino.
 

The biggest shock I can cause is telling people I'm a transactional attorney. People are shocked or flat-out don't believe me. This applies to everyone. Rich, poor, black, white, young, old. Although, based on experience, I can spot a Biglaw lawyer from 50 feet (and can identify one from earshot as easy as pie), I fail to understand what it is about lawyers that make regular people think they all look the same. Hell, there are more lawyers, than rats (may be hard to tell the two apart, but I digress), why wouldn't people think we come in all shapes, colors, sizes and personality types?

TM

Booze
 

Holy crap. They're not still inexplicably using that Balky-esque dork in white to try to sell that swill, are they?

PJ

What do you drink?
 

I used to brew my own beer. A friend and I used to get together and brew and cook every couple of weeks. It got really fun when we had a couple of batches bottled and could enjoy the fruits of our labors as we labored on another batch. The wort smelled so good as it bubbled away on the stove. Mmmmm, zymurgy.

Booze
 

Yeah, in Woostah. Were you wearing your faux ripped acid washed jeans with the comb in the back pocket, authentic Patriots varsity jacket and black reeboks when you drank Zima, you wicked cool guy?

Shock the monkey, or I'm shocked to find gambling going on at this casino.
 

I've gotten "you're too nice to be a lawyer" on more than one occasion.

What do you drink?
 

My SO found a wallet in the street and returned it to its owner, contents intact bien sur. He was so grateful that he gave us several of his own home brews, which were very good. I'm not sure I have the attention span to brew my own, but I am working on a plan to find this guy's wallet again.

What do you drink?
 

Peanut butter is high in protein, but it's also high in saturated fat.

I ran the statistics for a woman weighing 130 through a health calculator which spit back that your daily requirement for protein would be 43.55g.

The OM gets the bulk of his protein from dairy sources (cheese and milk) and from veggie burgers, dogs, crumbles, sausages, etc. His protein requirements are rather high given his athletic pursuits, so he also uses a recovery drink that has protein.

I live in the Zone, so I balance protein, carbs, and fats. I often toss wholefoods protein powder into applesauce or over baked berries, to make sure I am getting enough protein.

Even(not a vegetarian)Odds

What do you drink?
 

I saw Alton Brown make beer on "Good Eats" (terrific show on the Food Network) and by the time he was done with all the shopping, washing, disinfecting, cooking, timing, waiting, storing, and bottling, all I could think was that it's a hell of a lot easier to run down to Sam's Club.

Shock the monkey, or I'm shocked to find gambling going on at this casino.
 

People are never shocked that I am a lawyer, but they are often shocked by my choice of practice area, favorite music genre, and significant other.

Even(people are stupid)Odds

What do you drink?
 

Clearly you have never shopped at the Costco in Pentagon City, Virginia (Sam's Club, Costco, Price Club, what's the diff?). It would be faster to make your own wine than to run down there to buy a bottle.

What do you drink?
 

Attention span not needed. It really is simple to brew. The hardest bit is the space required for storage of the carboy and bottles. If anyone is intested, I recommend Charlie Papazian's book..

Booze
 

Yes. I definitely spent my college years drinking Zima in worcester. Were you that chick from bridgeport with the lee presson nails and the Whalers tattoo that wouldn't leave me, and my Zima, alone?

Shock the monkey, or I'm shocked to find gambling going on at this casino.
 

Is that because they don't believe you do transactional work or because they don't think you are an attorney? The biggest shock I cause people is when I tell them that I was a navy seal. It's not true so I don't blame them for not believing me, but I am surprised that people who know me would be so shocked that I would lie to them.

Booze
 

Did I ever run into you at Miss Woo's?

yesterday's article
 

You should inform this jackass that if it was indeed his decision to focus the article on WEST and to characterize our leaving infirm as a reaction to a language filter, such a decision made his article simple, childish, petty and inaccurate (or incomplete to say the least). A response on our part asking him to paint a complete, fair and balanced picture of what actually happened hardly seems petty and childish. If it is, his concern about our views of his reporter's honesty (or lack thereof) seems similarly childish and petty.

TM