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No pain, no gain?

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No pain, no gain.

eta: ps: you can have Coltrane and Hank and I will square off against the two of you in the Battle of Italo-American Lawtalkers All-stars!

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It's not funded yet. It's still in appellate court and being hashed out. The agency had to get a loan from the government to kick start work because of the holdups.

BTW, for those of you obsessed as I am on this, these are fairly good resources for keeping up with what's going on in the stem cell world.

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/sections/stem_cell/

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/s...lantation.html

http://science.bio.org/cloning.news.html

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People are getting turned down at emergency rooms? That's illegal under EMTALA, which is why emergency rooms are as close to universal care in this country as we get.

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Do we really need to get any closer? Isn't this the social safety net compromise?

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Doesn't matter if it's a state or private hospital. They have to triage and stabilize anyone who shows up in the ER.

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Maybe that was apocryphal. That is what I was told. Maybe they get triage but then are sent away to another hospital before they should be moved. I was also told that people were getting limbs amputated, that could be saved by transplants, because of lack of medical coverage.

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I thought that was part of the problem -- that people over-use emergency rooms because, for many people, that's the only way to get care. And as a result, some hospitals are closing ERs.


(Another reason people over-use ERs is because getting a regular appointment can be a miserable experience.)

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Yes. And ER care is much, much more expensive than regular care.

ETA: The amputation thing would sorta kinda be related in an off way if people are delaying care for diabetes because they have no health insurance and eventually the disease progresses until circulation deficiencies kills a limb or two.

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No. I'm not saying that, and I don't think that has much to do with what I was saying.

Why does anyone vote the way they do? Some people vote out of self-interest, for the politician who will most likely increase their personal material well-being. Other people vote for the politician who most effectively expresses the values they wish to have expressed. Other people vote for the politician who they think will most likely increase the country's aggregate material well-being, regardless of their individual self-interest, because they're selfless and patriotic like that. Other people vote on a single issue, like abortion. And so on.

My point about the factors coinciding is that when you see (e.g.) 90% of the voters in a place (inner-city Detroit, rural Utah, etc.) vote for a particular candidate or party, it seems likely that most or all of these factors are cutting the same way, since people vary in the factors they consider important.

What question didn't I answer? The question about RoI? That's the stupidest fucking question you've ever asked on these boards. Or in the last few days anyway.

Your point was that Democrats don't do a lot for inner-city blacks. And my point is that -- be that as it may -- inner-city blacks seem to prefer -- or to use your terms, get a better RoI -- to vote for Democrats rather than Republicans.

I don't believe I've anywhere suggested that the Democratic Party has been the wonder drug that works wonders for urban blacks. Why is it so hard for you to respond to what I have said instead of trying to put stupid words in my mouth?

etfs

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I thought emergency rooms could close themselves and, for example, not accept an ambulance? I thought that was alleged to have happened to a New York Times reporter who died as a result of a mugging afterwhich he apparently got inadequate care.

He was not turned down for inability to pay, of course, but I thought maybe this is what Spanky was thinking of.

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I think ER did a sort kinda ripped from the headlines story about that a few weeks back......and maybe also the season before too!

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Because he is Penske.

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What are the common factors that you theorize are behind the voting pattersn of the inner city poor? Why is the RoI question stupid? Phrase it another way, based on the common factors that you identified in the first question, how successful are the local elected officials in delivering some meaningful fulfillment of such motivating factors? To the extent that there is a meaningful gap between the delivery of meaningful fulfillment and motivating factors, what intangibles do you think account for the continued voting patterns?

I don't expect that you will answer the above, because the answer would cause an honest look in the mirror assessment of the failure of the Democrat party to effectively deliver on its promises to the most disadvantaged in society (on a socio-economic basis, which, is in part, a factor of centuries of racial discrimination), but I will take your non-answer, duck and weave as confirmation of such failure.

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They can go on driveby status if they're overly full or understaffed. It looks like the hosptial in that case tried to go on driveby status but was denied by the local EMS authority if this editorial is right. Emergency rooms are pretty chaotic places, and it looks like that case was one where it's pretty clear that the system broke down pretty severely from the initial 911 call, to the ambulance pick up, to the triage in the ER, to his death.