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SlaveNoMore 03-09-2010 10:06 PM

Re: You (all) lie!
 
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Originally Posted by Cletus Miller (Post 418695)
So, it's win-win for two whackadoos.

Wake me when someone with some credibility outside tea-party circles cites to Massa with approval. I bet Beck isn't even refering to him by name--while still talking about dem-leadership "loyalty enforcement" or similar nonsense--by April.

Erm, amusedly watching this prick bloody Rahm with accusations is hardly citing "approval" for the guy.

SlaveNoMore 03-09-2010 10:17 PM

Re: You (all) lie!
 
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 418751)
Did it work? I don't pay attention to New Jersey politics.

Sure did. He ultimately resigned, but was never charged with anything. Charlie Kushner did a stint, but never had to implicate him.

Not great, but some story here:

http://www.nj.com/insidejersey/index...five_year.html

Tyrone Slothrop 03-09-2010 11:07 PM

Re: You (all) lie!
 
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Originally Posted by SlaveNoMore (Post 418752)
Erm, amusedly watching this prick bloody Rahm with accusations is hardly citing "approval" for the guy.

"bloody?"

really?

SlaveNoMore 03-09-2010 11:51 PM

Lee Majors
 
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 418755)
"bloody?"

really?

Rahm is being methodically thrown under the bus. Ultimately, he'll be the fall guy for the failure of Obamacare.

Perhaps even his one-term Presidency.

Gattigap 03-10-2010 02:04 AM

Fuck you, Marc Thiessen.
 
Fuck you.

That is all.

sebastian_dangerfield 03-10-2010 04:24 AM

Re: You (all) lie!
 
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Originally Posted by SlaveNoMore (Post 418750)
Remember when former Gov. McGreevey (D-NJ) deflected - rather well, I might add -the fact that he was a craven crook by changing the topic and declaring himself gay?

There was deflection in that. There was also the fact that he was actually gay. Proof? He moved in with his boyfriend and has been there ever since. If this is more ruse than reality, he's going a long way to keep up the charade.

Tyrone Slothrop 03-10-2010 09:50 AM

Re: Fuck you, Marc Thiessen.
 
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Originally Posted by Gattigap (Post 418758)
Fuck you.

That is all.

I couldn't bear to watch.

Cletus Miller 03-10-2010 10:24 AM

Re: You (all) lie!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SlaveNoMore (Post 418752)
Erm, amusedly watching this prick bloody Rahm with accusations is hardly citing "approval" for the guy.

And thus my Massa interest remains lower than yours.

Adder 03-10-2010 11:03 AM

Re: Fuck you, Marc Thiessen.
 
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Originally Posted by Gattigap (Post 418758)
Fuck you.

That is all.

What a douche. But Stewart's preparation is pretty impressive.

Replaced_Texan 03-10-2010 11:11 AM

Re: You (all) lie!
 
I'm almost annoyed that I missed this train wreck.

Tyrone Slothrop 03-10-2010 11:12 AM

Re: You (all) lie!
 
For Sebby:

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The Economist/YouGov Poll
Sample 1000 General Population Respondents
Conducted February 28-March 2, 2010
Margin of Error +/- 3.6%

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11. Overall, given what you know about them, do you support or oppose the proposed changes to the health care system being proposed by the Obama Administration?

Support strongly . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 17%
Support somewhat . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .36%
Oppose somewhat . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .15%
Oppose strongly . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 32%
Just one poll, of course.

LessinSF 03-10-2010 12:58 PM

Sea Change
 
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Originally Posted by SlaveNoMore (Post 418757)
the failure of Obamacare.

I am now supporting it, particularly if I quit my job again:

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I guess one could say that the best thing about the current bill is that it allows individuals and families to opt out of insurance coverage until they need it. Since insurance companies would not be allowed to deny coverage based on preexisting conditions, but individuals and families will be penalized only at the rate of only 2.5 percent of their annual income if they do not have insurance, it makes sense for families earning under around $500,000 per year to forego insurance coverage until they get sick. Clearly insurance coverage costs most middle-class families far more that 2.5 percent of their annual income, so the current bill serves as a disincentive to purchase insurance. Bravo, Mr. President!
http://volokh.com/2010/03/10/putting...th-reform-pig/

sebastian_dangerfield 03-10-2010 02:44 PM

Re: You (all) lie!
 
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 418770)
For Sebby:

Just one poll, of course.

Interesting how comparing one to the other, the "Strongly" and "Somewhat" percentages are inverse.

sebastian_dangerfield 03-10-2010 03:03 PM

Re: Sea Change
 
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Originally Posted by LessinSF (Post 418777)
I am now supporting it, particularly if I quit my job again: http://volokh.com/2010/03/10/putting...th-reform-pig/

That's why you need the mandate, and the mandate won't work not only because the penalty's too low, but because enforcement of that penalty is near impossible. How do you compel compliance or in lieu of it payment of a penalty in a country where 40% of people already pay no taxes? Garnish their wages? Are the Dems going to withhold people's unemployment benefits? Even if the answer there were "Yes," you know how much that process costs the govt? And how ineffective it is with child support and back taxes already?

This program is set up for the upper middle class and well-off to subsidize the lower middle class that makes too much for govt safety net health care programs and too little to afford private insurance. That's what's going to happen. And you know what that does in the immediate? Sucks a big pile of consumer spending out of the economy. Which keeps the lower middle class right where it is. Well, except that it keeps some of them alive longer, in poverty, at cost to the rest who might move upward in an economy allowed to be more vibrant.

sebastian_dangerfield 03-10-2010 03:05 PM

Re: Lee Majors
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SlaveNoMore (Post 418757)
Rahm is being methodically thrown under the bus. Ultimately, he'll be the fall guy for the failure of Obamacare.

Perhaps even his one-term Presidency.

Who does the GOP run against Obama in 2012? Not Romney. Not the gov of Virginia (he'll be President, but 2012's too soon). Who?


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