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Tyrone Slothrop 09-05-2019 11:48 AM

Re: Doesn’t Matter Who Wins the K Race; We’re All the Same
 
Awesome! Too many people think due process goes out the window if someone says "terrorism".

Pretty Little Flower 09-05-2019 11:56 AM

Re: Doesn’t Matter Who Wins the K Race; We’re All the Same
 
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 524701)
I just hope everyone in Alabama is going to be alright.

I'm just glad he didn't draw a little Sharpie circle around Minnesota. The storm could have taken out half the country en route.

Question for the board:

As the altered weather map underscores for like the millionth time, our country is being led by an emotionally stunted, dangerously narcissistic, pathologically lying child. Which might be kind of funny if the above were not paired with a political base that has a not insignificant amount of hate-filled racists and xenophobes, whose views and power I believe have been amplified and legitimized by a president who expresses racist views does nothing to counter the hatred in a significant portion of his political base. So, assuming this is correct, if you vote for him anyway, not because you have any interest supporting racial or ethnic hatred, but because you believe he is most likely to make you personally more prosperous, are you exhibiting racism? Not in an affirmative "I hate minorities" way, but rather in a "I'm fine with racism, or at least willing to tolerate and vote for a racist, if my own financial lot is bettered" way.

ThurgreedMarshall 09-05-2019 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 524691)
Non-political question for all of you: I'm trying to hire a paralegal. I'm surprised by (a) the relatively low quality of the applicants, from what I can tell, and (b) how many have or are in the process of getting law degrees from poorly respected law schools. Are there a lot of people with fourth-tier law degrees working as paralegals?

I have no insight on the paralegal market, but back when I was one, the big firms hired kids fresh out of great schools and just trained them up in no time, knowing they would leave for law school or other things. Are you looking for a career paralegal?

TM

ThurgreedMarshall 09-05-2019 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 524696)
NYC/political question- my wife and I were talking about going to Jean Georges- she really doesn't want to go anywhere near a Trump building or its businesses. I'd not go to a Trump restaurant for a lot of reasons. But JG rents and can hardly be blamed for not moving out now that Trump is fully ugly.

T/Icky/GWIN any rule of thumb about stepping into a building that happens to rent from the man?

Which restaurant in which building?

TM

ThurgreedMarshall 09-05-2019 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 524697)
News from the Biden front, fwiw. (I wouldn't read too much into this, but it relates to stuff we've been talking about.)

I want to read this. Can you cut-and-paste? It's a members-only article.

TM

ThurgreedMarshall 09-05-2019 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 524700)
I focused on NYers because I asked the same question on FB and got lectured from Atticus's friend from Berkeley. Most of the businesses in Trump Tower I have no interest in walking into. JG is not a restaurant I'd got to frequently, so I have never thought about the question- probably most NYers have never really thought it through?

I have thought it through and I wouldn't set foot in any establishment even loosely connected to him. The last time I had to was during birtherism and a good friend of mine who was recovering from surgery in one of his branded spots. Never again. Jean Georges can move his spot if he wants my business.

Give your business to Jose Andres.

TM

ThurgreedMarshall 09-05-2019 12:23 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Pretty Little Flower (Post 524711)
As the altered weather map underscores for like the millionth time, our country is being led by an emotionally stunted, dangerously narcissistic, pathologically lying child. Which might be kind of funny if the above were not paired with a political base that has a not insignificant amount of hate-filled racists and xenophobes, whose views and power I believe have been amplified and legitimized by a president who expresses racist views does nothing to counter the hatred in a significant portion of his political base. So, assuming this is correct, if you vote for him anyway, not because you have any interest supporting racial or ethnic hatred, but because you believe he is most likely to make you personally more prosperous, are you exhibiting racism? Not in an affirmative "I hate minorities" way, but rather in a "I'm fine with racism, or at least willing to tolerate and vote for a racist, if my own financial lot is bettered" way.

Yep.

TM

Tyrone Slothrop 09-05-2019 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 524712)
I have no insight on the paralegal market, but back when I was one, the big firms hired kids fresh out of great schools and just trained them up in no time, knowing they would leave for law school or other things. Are you looking for a career paralegal?

TM

I was kinda hoping to get one of the former kids who wants to leave a big firm for another thing, like us, and who would groove on the start-up thing enough to stay for a little while. I'd take a career paralegal, but suspect that someone who has done it for a while would want more money and stability than they'd find where I am now working, nttawwt.

Tyrone Slothrop 09-05-2019 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 524714)
I want to read this. Can you cut-and-paste? It's a members-only article.

TM

Josh Marshall:
For months now I’ve been in a back and forth with readers over what many have wrongly interpreted as support for Joe Biden. That’s not really right. It’s more like Biden Realism, which I’d describe as a focus on Biden’s apparent strengths despite many people’s wish that they weren’t strengths. The primary polls themselves are inherently volatile and heavily driven by perceptions of electability. That’s not the case with general election polls, which focus on voters who by definition don’t care about “electability.” Those polls have been very, very consistent all year. Specifically, Joe Biden is the only Democrat who consistently bests President Trump by big margins. Most of the others are closer to a tie. The exception is Bernie Sanders who has usually been between Biden and the rest of the pack.

Some people claim those numbers mean next to nothing more than a year from the general election. They’re wrong. When one candidate consistently does significantly better, it suggests they pull an electoral coalition that is different and larger than the others. The fact that things can change does not mean they will change or (more importantly) that they will change to conform to your hopes. But something has shifted over the last month.

As I’ve noted in previous posts, it’s not that Biden is doing so well. It’s more that the other candidates run comparatively soft numbers given President Trump’s persistent and rather intense unpopularity. But we’ve now had two major polls — quality phone polls — that show something a bit different, one from Fox and another just a few days ago from Quinnipiac.

The Fox poll showed the same basic pattern: Biden strongest against Trump with the others further behind. But in this poll from mid-August, all the Democrats held significant leads. Biden (+12), Sanders (+9), Warren (+7) and Harris (+6). Trump was consistently at 39% with everyone except Biden and with Biden he was at 38%.

The new Q poll shows an even starker picture. Biden (+16), Sanders (+14), Warren (+12), Harris (+11) and Buttigieg (+9).

Notably, Trump hasn’t fallen. He’s still basically stuck at 40% or just below. But a slew of what had been undecideds are now saying they’ll vote for the Democrat, whether that’s Warren or Sanders or Harris.

Given the current dynamics of the race, that matters most to Warren since she is now clearly running second in the primary battle and continuing to gain strength — not so much pulling support from Biden as pulling support from other candidates and thus building enough support to challenge Biden head on.

Replaced_Texan 09-05-2019 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 524705)
I love the people who show up nude at city council meetings and just scream crazy shit.

I go to Taos, New Mexico every summer to get the fuck out of Houston in August and have been doing so off and on for 30 years. Taos recently hosted the Meow Wolf Vortex festival, which caused a lot of locals to raise their hackles. The festival was a three day event in the middle of the park with overnight camping. It's, er, weird. Headliner this year was George Clinton, last year the Flaming Lips. It probably shouldn't be smack dab in the middle of town, but there aren't any other places really to put it that has the attendees close to the money spending opportunities that towns want these sorts of events for.

At any rate, the festival was a few weeks before we got there, and town council had just had a meeting where 13 locals spoke for a good hunk of the meeting about kids-these-days, noise, etc. The local paper dutifully reported the meeting and posted the article on facebook. On Labor Day, Sting was coming to town, and he was going to be the right-kind-of-show (i.e. bring in the type of people who spend tons of money in town). We rushed to the comments.

Taos is a weird and sometimes uncomfortable mix of Hispanics, Taos Indians, retirees, artists, ski bums, and hippies. It's entirely tourist dependent, but there's a little resentment that goes with that. Every time we go, we play "who survived the winter" and see what businesses are still there. This year was a really awesome year snow-wise, so there weren't too many casualties.

Anyhow, this is a long way of saying that one of my most favorite back-and-forths on a newspaper article comment section arose out of the article. The nudist community came out, er, swinging, but it was a much more polite conversation than these sorts of arguments tend to be.

Replaced_Texan 09-05-2019 01:11 PM

Re: Doesn’t Matter Who Wins the K Race; We’re All the Same
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pretty Little Flower (Post 524711)
I'm just glad he didn't draw a little Sharpie circle around Minnesota. The storm could have taken out half the country en route.

Question for the board:

As the altered weather map underscores for like the millionth time, our country is being led by an emotionally stunted, dangerously narcissistic, pathologically lying child. Which might be kind of funny if the above were not paired with a political base that has a not insignificant amount of hate-filled racists and xenophobes, whose views and power I believe have been amplified and legitimized by a president who expresses racist views does nothing to counter the hatred in a significant portion of his political base. So, assuming this is correct, if you vote for him anyway, not because you have any interest supporting racial or ethnic hatred, but because you believe he is most likely to make you personally more prosperous, are you exhibiting racism? Not in an affirmative "I hate minorities" way, but rather in a "I'm fine with racism, or at least willing to tolerate and vote for a racist, if my own financial lot is bettered" way.

Yes. And I said that 3 years ago.

Bonus misogyny because none of the allegations that piled up three years ago, plus a few more in the interim have gone away.

ThurgreedMarshall 09-05-2019 01:13 PM

Re: Doesn’t Matter Who Wins the K Race; We’re All the Same
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 524718)
Josh Marshall:
The Fox poll showed the same basic pattern: Biden strongest against Trump with the others further behind. But in this poll from mid-August, all the Democrats held significant leads. Biden (+12), Sanders (+9), Warren (+7) and Harris (+6). Trump was consistently at 39% with everyone except Biden and with Biden he was at 38%.

The new Q poll shows an even starker picture. Biden (+16), Sanders (+14), Warren (+12), Harris (+11) and Buttigieg (+9).

This is good news, for sure. Although I think every single point will count when it comes to flipping the Senate, if whoever gets the nomination can crush Trump, I'm happy.

But these are national numbers, I assume. I really need to know how everyone is doing relative to Biden in (i) the states that will matter most (Ohio, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Florida, etc.) for the electoral and (ii) the states in which Republican Senators are vulnerable.

TM

Hank Chinaski 09-05-2019 01:13 PM

Re: Doesn’t Matter Who Wins the K Race; We’re All the Same
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pretty Little Flower (Post 524711)
I'm just glad he didn't draw a little Sharpie circle around Minnesota. The storm could have taken out half the country en route.

Question for the board:

As the altered weather map underscores for like the millionth time, our country is being led by an emotionally stunted, dangerously narcissistic, pathologically lying child. Which might be kind of funny if the above were not paired with a political base that has a not insignificant amount of hate-filled racists and xenophobes, whose views and power I believe have been amplified and legitimized by a president who expresses racist views does nothing to counter the hatred in a significant portion of his political base. So, assuming this is correct, if you vote for him anyway, not because you have any interest supporting racial or ethnic hatred, but because you believe he is most likely to make you personally more prosperous, are you exhibiting racism? Not in an affirmative "I hate minorities" way, but rather in a "I'm fine with racism, or at least willing to tolerate and vote for a racist, if my own financial lot is bettered" way.

Easy, yes. But the tougher question is what if you vote third party, cuz there is no difference (sorry sebby, not trying to keep coming back to this)? I was having the ole "But Jill Stein is who I wanted" argument the other day, when it occurred to me that is the height of white privilege. For the reason you state.

Hank Chinaski 09-05-2019 01:14 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 524713)
Which restaurant in which building?

TM

A new place, the Elgor, something like that. I heard its landlord is actually a Trump controlled shell company.

Hank Chinaski 09-05-2019 01:17 PM

Re: Doesn’t Matter Who Wins the K Race; We’re All the Same
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 524717)
I was kinda hoping to get one of the former kids who wants to leave a big firm for another thing, like us, and who would groove on the start-up thing enough to stay for a little while. I'd take a career paralegal, but suspect that someone who has done it for a while would want more money and stability than they'd find where I am now working, nttawwt.

Look you and I bleed Crimson, sure, but some of the sharpest lawyers I've worked with are 4th tier- hell I've been impressed with several Cooley grads.


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