Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 

This post needs to be deconstructed by the Feminism 101 class at Wellesley....

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 

It's really anti-bore. I'll admit, there, I'm an enormous bigot.

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 

Nope. Just wondering what you would do if your husband were accused of rape and you thought the accuser was full of shit.

You can't answer that in the way you'd like to -- you'd like to say that you would just listen and not say anything in response, because you want to pretend that's what Hillary should have done. But you can't say that, so instead you talk about stuff that is far, far apart from a rape accusation.

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 

You mean, other than Juanita Broaddrick.

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Touche. I offer a correction: No one whose allegations do not date back to a year during which KC and the Sunshine Band were charting, Catfish Hunter and Ron Guidry were the Yankees' aces, and Harvey Milk became the first openly gay elected official has accused Bill Clinton of rape.

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 

If my husband were accused of rape, and he was innocent, I would let it work through the court system. Rape is difficult to prove beyond a reasonable doubt, especially if one has not had sexual intercourse with the accuser (which is where marital fidelity is relevant, at least to me). It is a different case than if there was admitted intercourse and the issue is whether it was consensual. In that situation, I would probably separate from him with a plan to discuss potentially reuniting after his trial to spare our children from the situation as much as possible.

But I have been consistent in my advocacy for reasonable protections for accused men, because as horrible as rape is, it is also a horrible thing for an innocent person to be branded a rapist. No advocating for guidelines that refer to accusers as 'victims' and that push colleges to allow appeal for an accuser but not the accused. That the accused have the right to counsel and to confront the accuser. Simple stuff, really.

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 

You must have loved Mike Dukakis.

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 

I do appreciate consistency in the application of one's worldview.

So, just curious, were you surprised by the revelation that Hillary did, in fact, receive emails that were classified at the time they were sent, and were marked classified? Because she's kind of been lying for over a year about that one.

And did you see her freakish response to being asked a question by a reporter regarding Warren as VP? A reporter from CBS is the one who tweeted her response. Can you find any way to describe it other than bizarre?


http://mashable.com/2016/06/10/hilla.../#.0vER4a7eiqL

I'm not your hero; I'm not your savior.
 

I believe you mean Michael "Michael" Dukakis.

A younger Not Bob, still puzzled about why GHWB* had not been indicted for Iran Contra (go ahead, youngsters - Google it, and please let me know) threw his Rolling Rock bottle at the television during the Podunk U College Democrats debate watching party when that robot popped up the slowly hanging curveball of a question tossed to him by Bernard Shaw.

As Big Ed (still known as Medium Ed) noted gleefully to me the next day at the Rathskeller, that was the exact moment Dukakis lost the election. I agreed.

*I kind of like him and his WASP-is ways now, and he turned out to be a great foreign policy president, but that dude was in it up to his Skull & Bones neck. He got lucky that Bill Casey died.

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Yeah, I don't think that either of the Clintons are what normal people would describe as "good." The fact that all of this stuff surfaced as a result of a billionaire spending a couple of million dollars (a/k/a "the Arkansas Project") doesn't change anything, I suppose, other than to note that a few of his accusers seemed perfectly happy with him until Mr. Scaife's cash started swirling around.

The tactics used by the Clintonistas used are unfortunately the standard playbook for discrediting of the female accusers of a powerful man. Anita Hill was "a little bit nutty and a little bit slutty" per Clarence Thomas' team. Elliot Spitzer tried to do the same initially. General Petreaus managed to do that to Paula Broadwell and did such a good job that he's back giving advice to Obama (and no one on the right talks much about his very real email issues). I even seem to recall Anthony Weiner trying that approach initially.

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Let the woman have a little fun sometimes. That's a 2 on the scale of 1 to donald trump in terms of reactions.

My take on the email thing is very different than just about everyone else. I think the idea that the sec'y of state, our chief diplomat, should be subject to a bunch of requirements on government document retention is bizarre. Diplomacy is about secrecy. You have to be able to talk to our enemies in confidence to be an effective diplomat. Yes, take stuff off line, get it out of official lines of communication, do what you will to do that.

I'd say the same for the President. I don't want IT guys n gals pawing over every communication by anyone with a key, high level diplomatic or military function. Kerry seems to deal with this by camping out in Vienna and having face-to-face conversations all over the place. I'm betting few scraps of paper leave those rooms, and no emails at all.

So I am aghast this is an issue. I hope she was having classified conversations outside of channels. If she wasn't, I'd be disappointed. Screw the critics.

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Mike is as authentic and kind-hearted a person as will ever run for President. I don't know why anyone let him do that.

He still picks up trash when he sees it on the Boston subway. And I've been out of politics for over 20 years now, but he still hurries across the street when he sees me to say hello, even though many of the other people I knew when back in the day just don't even recognize me anymore. Ravages of time. And he still would respond in a careful, level headed way if you threw a dozen grenades at him.

Re: I'm not your hero; I'm not your savior.
 

Oh, I don't doubt it. And I remember reading that he was teaching a course somewhere outside of the Athens of America, and people were shocked that he kept office hours and chatted with undergraduates. And that he actually taught the course and graded the student papers.

Still.

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 

2 things- when you say your take is different than everyone else, you realize that might include Federal law and the FBI? And as to her wanting to keep it all on the DL, didn't some foreign hacker hack it?

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Women are like, totally boring, man. She's like a grandma or something.

Hm. Kinda doubt it.