How was I to know she was with the Russians, too?
 

Probably not. But you'll be happy to hear that Charlie Rose pressed John Podesta on that very point. http://www.cbsnews.com/news/john-pod...ocrats-monday/

I don't know enough about the subject to know whether it is possible to hack into a server without leaving any evidence of said hack. I think Director Comey said that it was when he announced that he was recommending no criminal charges be brought against HRC, but I've seen some infosec specialists say otherwise. And the accusations re Russian involvement in the DNC hack are based in part on forensic evidence left on the server.

Anyway.

Re: How was I to know she was with the Russians, too?
 

I don't either, but it makes sense that wiping a server so as to make it impossible to recover deleted messages would also likely destroy any evidence a hacker may have left behind of such hacking.

Re: How was I to know she was with the Russians, too?
 

Speaking of irony, are you aware of anyone who was upset about HRC's server who is also upset about the hacking of the DNC's server? In the former case, she might have been hacked; in the latter case, they actually were. And yet it would seem that many people aren't actually outraged about hacking per se. (Who woulda thought it?)

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 

Ted Cruz's biggest problems are that nobody is as smart as him, as principled as him, or in any way is more important than him. He shut the government down because he was right and if the Congress wasn't going to do what he said, he was willing to sacrifice the whole country to get his way.

He'd be worse as President. Imagine 4 years of nothing but vetoes, no matter what party a bill comes from. That's Ted Cruz as President. Imagine Executive Orders to put Muslims in concentration camps a la the Japanese in WWII. That's President Cruz.

Re: How was I to know she was with the Russians, too?
 

I am upset about both and quite concerned about the influence of foreign nations on US elections and affairs (which is also why some Clinton Foundation activities are concerning). Hacking the DNC was a crime. Period. And I have no doubt that there is the same if not worse in the RNC. But if it were the Russians, the chances of prosecuting them are pretty low.

In any case, the DNC didn't harbor state secrets or drone intelligence or names of CIA assets. And they did not have a duty imposed by law to protect their emails. And they won't possess the nuclear codes if Hillary wins. So there's a pretty big difference between the situations as well. Hacking the DNC is for embarrassment and possible future blackmail. We won't know the extent that Hillary's emails may damage the US because so many of them (the ones she deleted when her lawyers only read the subject line and not the content to see if they were responsive, those several missing months that were never turned over, etc.) were never retained or provided to the proper authorities.

Re: How was I to know she was with the Russians, too?
 

The actual hackers were our enemies, and we wee doing what we could to stop. Whereas Hillary might be president; the enemy is us? Help you sort out the difference?

Re: How was I to know she was with the Russians, too?
 

Uh, yes. And shaddup. Like the hackers provided the content of the emails. Typical Crooked Hillary-fan response - don't believe you're lyin' eyes and g-d damn those Russians. Should have sneaked another million under that "Reset" button.

Dude.

Bull-fucking-shit. Everyone I know on various points of the "right" thinks hacking is a horrific crime and should be prosecuted as such.

That said...

SlaveNo(Schadenfreude)NoMore

Re: How was I to know she was with the Russians, too?
 

The FBI also made it very clear that her servers weren't just deleted, they were deliberately "wiped" such that forensic recovery of anything would be nearly impossible.


(AON, whoever came up with this W. Zevon re: line deserves an old skool POTY)

SlaveNo(Trump leads by 5 after Philly)More

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 

[Quote]....Pauline Kael...[Quote]

Is publicly embarrassing yourself like this part of some 12-step program?

We were both really, really drunk last time we got together, but i didn't realize how bad it was.

Let's see. NYC (check) Brooklyn (check) Lawtalkers (check)

I think you have it sufficiently covered.

SlaveNo(Relax, have a cream soda)More

I was gambling in Havana.
 

Thank you. The shit has, indeed, hit the fan.

BTW, McCain & Romney both had post-RNC leads (smaller for Gov Romney than for Sen McCain). Let's see what happens after the DNC. Big bounce a la Bubba in 1992 or no bounce a la Sen Kerry in 2004? Of course, the only number that matters is 270, so ...

Re: And...
 

And now it's time to get raw. Raw Soul. Frank Beverly's Raw Soul. Which is how I like my Soul. Soul Tartare. Today's Daily Dose is Color Blind:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OlLKvw8LIBc

Re: How was I to know she was with the Russians, too?
 

Doesn't Trump still owe you for work you did for him 15 years ago?

TM

Re: Sometimes I crack myself up....
 

Who knows, maybe Trump will have to pull out before the election when it's been found out he's been playing footsie with Putin, and your party can put Ted Cruz in to run.

I mean, who would stay in the race after making a public disgrace of himself, right?

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 

Why am I supposed to give a fuck about this person?

Enh. Worked out okay for me.

Right. I haven't been completely surrounded by old, white, male Republicans my entire professional life. They're not as ridiculous as you, but they're almost all fucking ridiculous.

Don't say a word to me, Slavey, don't say another fucking word to me. I'll get up and I'll bury this telephone in your head.

[Bookman is Sidney. Probably the most underrated actor in the history of the world.]

TM

Re: Moscow Girls Make Him Sing and Shout
 

Slave going on all for Don the Con.

Come on. In your guts, you know he's nuts.

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 

The prospect of a 269-269 electoral college tie is terrifying. Seriously. On the bright side though, we might end up with President Pence in that circumstance. I totally agree that Hillary would lose soundly to any of the other 16 Republican candidates for President, but if Trump wins, it is just as much on the Democrats for putting up such a crappy candidate as it is the fault of the Trumpanzees.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/fiveth...rticle/2003509

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 

This is why I still love you.

SlaveNo(Are all you guys named "Mosely")More

Re: Moscow Girls Make Him Sing and Shout
 

I like both Walker and Rubio. In that order.

Since I cannot vote for either, Yep, I'm all in for "Don the Con." Double Down.

Hillary is a felon. Comey said so unequivocally That progs like you seem to think "important" people like her are *Above The Law"either makes you an unserious lawyer or a 15 year old anarchist. I know you are neither, so I'm struggling here.

SlaveNo(my anti-Trump posts on Infirmatioin - work related - were pretty damn legendary)More


*Pissed we didn't TM that when we had the chance.

Re: How was I to know she was with the Russians, too?
 

YES!!! Wow, you remember that?

But I let it go when Ivanka hugged me.

SlaveNo(her husband Jered's sister's husband was my associate - i went to their place a few times for Shabbos dinner)More

I went home with a waitress....the way I always do
 

I'm now blasting the Excitable Boy CD. I really do thank you for this, NB. Damn.

SlaveNo(my neighbors probably do not agree)More

Re: Moscow Girls Make Him Sing and Shout
 

While I remain committed to not boarding the Trump Train, personally, I sympathize with people who are backing him because they find the alternative of Hillary to be worse. And frankly also voters who deem Trump someone to be stopped at any costs, and are backing HRC for that reason. I totally get voting against either one of the two major party candidates.

What I find deeply disturbing, however, are the people who actually *like* either one of them.(Cough, G3) That is a puzzling form of mental illness, indeed.

Re: Moscow Girls Make Him Sing and Shout
 

It requires seeing past the BS slung over a thirty year period. Luckily, I've had this board for about half that time, where the BS is pretty transparent (Cough, Slave).

Re: How was I to know she was with the Russians, too?
 

At this point, it looks like it was for influencing the presidential election.

Re: How was I to know she was with the Russians, too?
 

Every forensic expert I've ever heard speak on the subject has said that's essentially impossible, short of physically destroying the drive.

Re: How was I to know she was with the Russians, too?
 

Adder, you need to get your sense of priorities straight here. Sure, Trump is undermining the NATO alliance and seems ready to abandon it, and sure, he has a campaign manager who has worked for Putin, and sure, this looks like a geopolitical disaster in the making, BUT.....

Damnit, a couple operatives at the DNC said mean things about Bernie, proving, once again, that Hillary is LUCIFER!!!!!

After 10 long years they let him out of the home.
 

It is truly one of my favorite albums - I should pick up one of those cheap turntables at B&N just to listen to it on vinyl with a few crackles and pops.

Speaking of the title track, I'm with @dick_nixon of Twitter on Hinckley's release - once you try to kill the president, you shouldn't get out.

And yes, he's been out of the facility about 50% of the time for the last few years without any problems, and yes I was just poisoned as a child by reading too many pulp thrillers and watching too many Charles Bronson movies, but it just sounds like a Not Good thing for him to be out even under restrictions.

Re: After 10 long years they let him out of the home.
 

I agree with you on Hinckley. The assassination attempt is literally my earliest memory of a public event. I was 4 and still quite vividly recall the news.

They let Squeaky Fromme out too. Are we the only ones that let out people that attempt to assassinate our leaders?

And just think about it. Ted Cruz's dad gets to walk around scott free every day....

Re: After 10 long years they let him out of the home.
 

God punished him by giving him Ted for a son.

Re: How was I to know she was with the Russians, too?
 

Did I miss the part where everyone who mocked Romney in 2012 for saying Russia was the biggest threat apologized?

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 

And as evidence for my assertion that people who like Trump should be committed to a mental institution, I give you the best Trump supporter video ever, which can also serve as today's dose of funk.

SFW

http://youtu.be/7L0k2-kO_yc

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 

Well, I have to say, that really beats the Lizzie Banks thing Hill has.

But I'm waiting for Flower for the Funk.

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 

I am filled with many conflicting emotions right now. In a perverse way, I am glad that an absurdist video as horrifyingly and darkly surreal as that exists and can be readily accessed via the internets. I have other emotions too.

Here is something kind of interesting I found in my daily funk research:

"1. Salt, “Hung Up” on Chocktaw

One of the rarest and most collectible funk records is by a mystery group named Salt. Nobody knows who they are or where they’re from, all we know of them is that they put together these two minutes of hardcore funk. An original pressing of this 45 is worth thousands of dollars – if you can even find it. Take a listen – it’s solid funk."

http://blog.timesunion.com/chuckmill...y-tracks/2611/

I will do as the man says and take a listen. You should too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t944ENa1YYU

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 

Damn. Solid funk. Reminds me of another great old timey mystery band.

Probably want to stay under the radar because they've miscegenated and are afraid Rush Limbaugh, Bill O'Reilly and Donald ("Traitor") Trump will come after them.

Re: How was I to know she was with the Russians, too?
 

And that's why everyone you know on the right will be outraged that Trump said he wants the Russians to hack Hillary. Surely.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CoY3oNXXYAA5nZS.jpg:large

Re: Moscow Girls Make Him Sing and Shout
 

That people think this is totally bizarre to me. Hillary's instincts are fundamentally moderate. She's not promising any fundamental change to the current status quo, and unless Congress changes hands in a pretty huge way she wouldn't be able to get it. If you believe the feverish things that people said about Obama then you might believe the feverish things people have said about Hillary, but you'll believe anything.

Maybe if you are a conservative who cares most about the Supreme Court and you can look past what the other two branches do and focus only on the Court, then you can convince yourself that naming Scalia's successor is the most important thing that the next President will do.

Re: How was I to know she was with the Russians, too?
 

It is horrible and terrible that Trump advocated for such a thing (Mr. Putin, tear down that firewall!) I am not disputing that. The relationship between Trump and Putin is growing more concerning by the day. I am not defending anything Trump does, so maybe you are trying to bait Slave with that one.


OTOH, it is hilarious that Hillary's campaign is calling the 30,000 emails that Trump requested the hacking of a matter of "national security". I don't see how that is possible if they just related to things like Chelsea's wedding and yoga routines.

Re: How was I to know she was with the Russians, too?
 

Yes.

Yes, although I think you really have to have a taste for a peculiar strain of comedy to use the word "hilarious". Different strokes.

Re: Moscow Girls Make Him Sing and Shout
 

The thing about the Supreme Court is that it is possibly the most important, but anyone who thinks that Trump will appoint a strong justice for limited constitutional government is smoking crack. Hillary will without a doubt appoint justices abhorrent to me. As Trump indicated with his attack on the "Mexican" judge, he's going to appoint someone who will cater to his every whim. Not someone who will limit the power of the Presidency. It's not a credible argument. While, in theory, Trump may accidentally stumble onto a position I don't find abhorrent, literally the only argument a Trump supporter can rationally make in his favor is that he's not Hillary. But that's not enough for me.

If Hillary supports the Dem platform, she's not exactly a moderate.

Re: Moscow Girls Make Him Sing and Shout
 

You won't hear me call Hill a moderate. I believe she was Bill's liberal conscience from the beginning, and remains roorted strongly left of center.

But I do think she is practical. She likes what works, not what fits an ideological mold.

The more I see of this election, however, the more I think the Republicans can survive a Trump loss, and keep going their merry way in the Senate and House and at the state level, but a Trump win would kill the party completely.*

Re: Moscow Girls Make Him Sing and Shout
 

I think she's Bernie at heart, but I'm not sure that really matters as she knows from experience what happens when you try to get Bernie enacted.

Hillary may not personally be a moderate, but a Hillary presidency will be "moderate" in that she will do only what she thinks she can get done.