LawTalkers - Offering constructive criticism to the social cripples in our midst since early 2005.

Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
We have a factual disagreement as to whether Plame was publicly known to be a CIA agent, and covert, before Novak published the WH's story. I haven't seen anything saying her position was well-known in advance of that.

I read stuff about that way back when, and I think it was always one of those factors that was accepted or not based on your ideology. So, let's ignore that one for now, and assume, FTSOA, that she was unknown. (Translation: I'm too lazy to google it.)

My point still stands. She used her authority as an employee of the exec branch to undermine the exec. The fact of her involvement in Wilson's selection - the fact that it was a calculated move on her part and Wilson's part to discredit Bush - leaves her, IMHO, having put herself out there. You can't do that kind of thing, and then whine when someone points it out.

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)

07-11-2005 05:27 PM

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Originally posted by bilmore
I read stuff about that way back when, and I think it was always one of those factors that was accepted or not based on your ideology. So, let's ignore that one for now, and assume, FTSOA, that she was unknown. (Translation: I'm too lazy to google it.)

My point still stands. She used her authority as an employee of the exec branch to undermine the exec. The fact of her involvement in Wilson's selection - the fact that it was a calculated move on her part and Wilson's part to discredit Bush - leaves her, IMHO, having put herself out there. You can't do that kind of thing, and then whine when someone points it out.

And it's a fair point, to which I've responded that 99% of those facts could be made public without specifically identifying her. And she could be sanctioned appropriately, as well, again without identifying her (other than that she has to explain why her energy company canned her to her friends not in the know).

bilmore

07-11-2005 05:31 PM

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Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
And it's a fair point, to which I've responded that 99% of those facts could be made public without specifically identifying her.

How? One main point was, how would such a hack be chosen, unless he had some real critical skills that no one else had? And the answer was, he had no such skills, but wifey put his name into the hopper, and it was a mighty small hopper - in fact, it closed after she made her recommendation. So, no, there was no way to make that particular point without referring to her. And, again, when she was the one (in my mind) misusing her position, why NOT mention that? What regard was she due at that point? (I vote for "none.")

Penske_Account

07-11-2005 05:36 PM

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Originally posted by Spanky
My Grandfather was the head of the Republican party in Washington State in the 1930s. All the Articles he wrote for the papers focus on the fact that Roosevelt was turning the United State into a Socialist State. My Grandfather also accused him of being soft on Communism (being too nice to the Soviets). My great grandfather was also active in the Republican party (he was a State Senator from Everett Washington and was known as Weyerhauser's man in Olympia) and he wrote articles about Wilson being a socialist and accused Wilson of wanting to reinstitute slavery in the South (to be honest I don't know where that came from).

I think my grandfather and great grandfather, if they were still alive, would agree with Slave on most issues and would consider him a Republican.

Roosevelt was a socialist and soft on the Commies. He sacrificed the liberties of a 100million Eastern Europeans (not counting the Baltic States and the Yugoslavs) to appease Stalin. That's like what Clinton did to Elian to the 100 millionth power.

bilmore

07-11-2005 05:37 PM

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Originally posted by Penske_Account
Roosevelt was a socialist and soft on the Commies. He sacrificed the liberties of a 100million Eastern Europeans (not counting the Baltic States and the Yugoslavs) to appease Stalin.

It's not like they were voters, though.

Penske_Account

07-11-2005 05:40 PM

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Originally posted by bilmore
It's not like they were voters, though.

Elian would have been, but the So Florida Cubans trend Right, which was a secondary motivator for Bubba and ShakenBake Reno.

futbol fan

07-11-2005 05:42 PM

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Originally posted by Penske_Account
Elian would have been, but the So Florida Cubans trend Right, which was a secondary motivator for Bubba and ShakenBake Reno.

Thank ghod we've gotten back to Clinton and Reno (and Roosevelt!). I thought you might have been losing your touch.

Penske_Account

07-11-2005 05:54 PM

Das anti-Kapitalists!

Speaking of the Democrats' Communistic tendencies:

Karl Marx must be rolling in his grave, and don't even ask about V. I. Lenin: Russia eliminated its inheritance tax last month. Its move comes after January's decision by the government of Sweden, the birthplace of the modern-day welfare state, to eliminate its estate tax. ........

The U.S. now has the distinction of imposing the most onerous death tax in the industrialized world. ......If this sounds, well, a bit communistic, it is. The third policy plank of Marx's "Communist Manifesto" is "taxation of all inheritance."(hi Comrade Wonk!)

How shameful and destructive to those patriots amongst us who work hard to provide for our families. Why do the Dems seek to destroy family values, why, Bilmore, why?

Replaced_Texan

07-11-2005 05:56 PM

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London's Muslims speak out in disgust By Christine Spolar Tribune foreign correspondent
Mon Jul 11, 9:40 AM ET

Hours after terrorist bombs tore into London's transport network Thursday, Muhammed Abdul Bari experienced another high-tech explosion of hate. Someone unleashed what he called an e-mail bomb of thousands of hate-filled messages to the Web site of the Muslim Council of Britain.

By Sunday, Bari, who also is the chairman of the East London Mosque, was reading a different message. The e-mails were running about 4-1 in favor of positive messages and sympathy for the predicament facing Muslim Londoners.

Shape Shifter

07-11-2005 05:56 PM

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Originally posted by bilmore
She used her authority as an employee of the exec branch to undermine the exec. The fact of her involvement in Wilson's selection - the fact that it was a calculated move on her part and Wilson's part to discredit Bush - leaves her, IMHO, having put herself out there. You can't do that kind of thing, and then whine when someone points it out.

I have heard you make a lot of allegations about Plame's partisanship and her influence in getting Wilson the (unpaid) job. I'd like to see a factual cite for this (NRO editorials, Washington Times articles, etc. don't count).

sebastian_dangerfield

07-11-2005 06:01 PM

Crossover Post

Bring the FB thread on anal ssex over here...

Has anyone read the transcript of David Gregory basically bending Scott McClelland over a couch and ass fucking him on television during today's White House press briefing? Google McLelland and David Gregory.

Its rich. The fat little fucker looked like he was going to throw an aneurysm.

If you hate the lies this admin pumps out, you'll fucking love the video.

bilmore

07-11-2005 06:03 PM

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Originally posted by Shape Shifter
I have heard you make a lot of allegations about Plame's partisanship and her influence in getting Wilson the (unpaid) job. I'd like to see a factual cite for this (NRO editorials, Washington Times articles, etc. don't count).

Good lord. Didn't we fill, like, fifteen iterations of this board covering all of these items back when? It's like someone now saying "could you please prove to me that Bush won the election, or stop calling him the president."

(But you'd take a good NYT article on faith, though, right?)

Penske_Account

07-11-2005 06:04 PM

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Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Bring the FB thread on anal ssex over here...

Has anyone read the transcript of David Gregory basically bending Scott McClelland over a couch and ass fucking him on television during today's White House press briefing? Google McLelland and David Gregory.

Its rich. The fat little fucker looked like he was going to throw an aneurysm.

If you hate the lies this admin pumps out, you'll fucking love the video.

I think referring to "lies" is presumptuous. Let's wait and see what the full record shows.

bilmore

07-11-2005 06:05 PM

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Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
If you hate the lies this admin pumps out, you'll fucking love the video.

I started to come over to your view the day I learned that the mass graves were really just new tomato garden beds. Fuckin' liars!

Penske_Account

07-11-2005 06:05 PM

Everything Bimore Needs to Know, He Learned in Kindergarten

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Originally posted by bilmore

(But you'd take a good NYT article on faith, though, right?)