Originally Posted by SEC_Chick (Post 505048)

I get annoyed by listening to Obama speak and detest his smug selfishness. I also got a case of the dry heaves when GWB mispronounced the word "nuclear". But nothing can compare to how much I truly hate Trump and the way he speaks. It is worse than nails on a chalkboard. But my annoyance cannot be limited to the way he speaks, because turning off the sound and reading the closed captioning also makes me want to throw up in my mouth. It will be a long four years. It's at the point where I don't know if it's solely because he objectively sucks, or if I also have some weird aversion to him like I do Hilary Swank. I cannot put words to why I hate Hilary Swank as much as I do, and I have never even seen one of her movies, yet I inexplicably hate her guts. To be honest, the dread I feel for the next four years is pretty much how I felt when Obama was elected and the Dems held the House and Senate. But exponentially worse, because now I get to see those who used to be on my team engage in the same conduct they used to bitch about. Man, I can't be on the winning side for anything.

I have been told by Trump supporters that I am forgiven (not that I require forgiveness, because while I was wrong about Trump's electoral prospects, I continue to assert that I was right about his character), or that I am the enemy they are coming for due to my apostasy. Whatever. Seeing Rubio grill Tillerson today made me sad. We could have had him as President instead. Gang of 8 is small potatoes compared with what we are staring down now.

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 505050)

Congratulations, the GOP has delivered for the country a man who is everything they ever attacked (whether falsely, as in most of their attacks on Obama or Hillary, or occasionally accurately, as with Bill). He's unChristian, he's a liar, he's corrupt, he is already engaging in pay to play, and he is a pervert. And you helped.

Moments like these make me think the Greeks had a point in their characterization of the divine, up there on Olympus laughing at us, making us their playthings. You helped the Gop deliver this. The Gods are laughing. And it no longer matters if the glass is half full or half empty, just whether you think the urine will test for drugs.

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 505050)

And you helped.

Originally Posted by SEC_Chick (Post 505057)

While this is a reply, I am going to assume that this comment is not addressed to me. I think I have a pretty clearly established record of opposing Trump in the primary, as well as the general election.

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 505059)

He is a product of the GOP and everything they've done since Newt Gingrich declared that they would negotiate with Democrats but not compromise with them.

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 505060)

He certainly draws on some things the GOP was and was doing before he came along, but he departs from other parts of the GOP in significant ways. If you want to make that argument, you're going to need to think that through a little more.



If everyone is responsible then no one is, and that's BS.

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 505050)

Congratulations, the GOP has delivered for the country a man who is everything they ever attacked (whether falsely, as in most of their attacks on Obama or Hillary, or occasionally accurately, as with Bill). He's unChristian, he's a liar, he's corrupt, he is already engaging in pay to play, and he is a pervert. And you helped.

Moments like these make me think the Greeks had a point in their characterization of the divine, up there on Olympus laughing at us, making us their playthings. You helped the Gop deliver this. The Gods are laughing. And it no longer matters if the glass is half full or half empty, just whether you think the urine will test for drugs.

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 505060)

If everyone is responsible then no one is, and that's BS.

Originally Posted by Not Bob (Post 505037)

In an effort to make me hypersectionally woke, a friend recommended that I watch Adam Curtis (starting with "Hypernormalisation") a few months ago. I may or may not be on the way to woke, but boy am I depressed.

And while I think some of Curtis' theories in this doc are silly (the UFO craze of the 1990s? Please. He doesn't even mention the UFO craze of the 50s or 70s, and his theory that the military used UFOs to cover up new weapons systems is the exact opposite of what the government said back then -- that what people thought were UFOs were actually high tech planes, etc.), I think that his observations about where we are in terms of how society looks at facts and "facts" are spot on.

The section that I found very interesting was the discussion of Putin's aide Vladislov Surkov and his use of avant garde theater techniques to promote Putin's regime. It hit me like a shot -- Trump and his supporters either stole the concept from Putin or Putin gave it to him. For example, everything that Trump and Pence and his people were saying about the deal to keep the air conditioning factory in Indiana -- it's pure theater. And the completely self-contradictory positions of so many in the GOP (from McConnell on confirmation hearings for cabinet nominees and Supreme Court nominees to Ryan allowing house members to gut ethics and punish individual civil servants by cutting their pay to $1) shows that the phenomenon is not limited to Trump. And let me preempt you by saying, no, both sides do *not* do this. Dems may play all sorts of games, but there is no equivalence. Obama may have been lying or wrong in 2009 when he said "you can keep your doctors," but he didn't say last night that "I promised you that you could keep your doctors, and I kept that promise."

Anyway, carry on.

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 505043)

For Sebby: Comey probably cost Clinton the election. Particularly relevant today, now that we know what Comey kept to himself about Trump and Russia.

Originally Posted by SEC_Chick (Post 505048)

I get annoyed by listening to Obama speak and detest his smug selfishness. I also got a case of the dry heaves when GWB mispronounced the word "nuclear". But nothing can compare to how much I truly hate Trump and the way he speaks. It is worse than nails on a chalkboard. But my annoyance cannot be limited to the way he speaks, because turning off the sound and reading the closed captioning also makes me want to throw up in my mouth. It will be a long four years. It's at the point where I don't know if it's solely because he objectively sucks, or if I also have some weird aversion to him like I do Hilary Swank. I cannot put words to why I hate Hilary Swank as much as I do, and I have never even seen one of her movies, yet I inexplicably hate her guts. To be honest, the dread I feel for the next four years is pretty much how I felt when Obama was elected and the Dems held the House and Senate. But exponentially worse, because now I get to see those who used to be on my team engage in the same conduct they used to bitch about. Man, I can't be on the winning side for anything.

I have been told by Trump supporters that I am forgiven (not that I require forgiveness, because while I was wrong about Trump's electoral prospects, I continue to assert that I was right about his character), or that I am the enemy they are coming for due to my apostasy. Whatever. Seeing Rubio grill Tillerson today made me sad. We could have had him as President instead. Gang of 8 is small potatoes compared with what we are staring down now.

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 505063)

Except he didn't say that. He said everyone is responsible to a degree. That rings awfully true to me.

(BTW, the logic you use here is a favorite of the religulous: "If you believe in nothing, you'll believe in anything!" Right up there with Pascal's Wager in terms of brilliance.)

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 505060)

He certainly draws on some things the GOP was and was doing before he came along, but he departs from other parts of the GOP in significant ways.

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 505061)

His extreme created this: people who are liberal voters thought that he is so far gone from reality that hil can't lose, so they can finally vote 3rd party! The extreme of his insanity emboldened people to move away from the safe Dem. Sad.