| mmm3587 |
10-08-2004 10:30 AM |
So...
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Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall
Wow. I was going to just let you be because you were trying so hard in all your posts, but I can't pass this one up.
1. The fact that this is "the saddest thing" in your eyes is unbelievable. It's just as awful as when white people discriminate, but no worse. Any rationalization on their (or anyone's part) is pure bullshit, plain and simple. But the fact that someone exhibiting prejudice has experienced prejudice is not an aggravating factor when condemning them for same.
2. I would love to see you in action. I can't possibly see how you could point out how lucky someone was that they've never experienced racial or cultural prejudice in those situations, where that someone is a minority exhibiting racism to a different minority, without coming off as a condescending prick. I would love to know exactly where you live, because it sounds like the safest place in the world. Don't ever move.
TM
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Your attempts to always paint me as disagreeable are really old and transparent. Condescending prick, pot, kettle. I wouldn't care to see you in action or be around you. You seem like a petty, pathetic malfeasor who is just trying to stir things up and can't understand why no one likes him or wants to be around him. I hope that the identity you have crafted on the FB makes you happy, fulfills you and does something to mask the apparent emptiness in your real life.
It doesn't make it ok or better or justified to hear some rich, white protestant spout vitriol against blacks or jews, but it's easier to see how prejudices develop in people who haven't felt the results of those kinds of beliefs. If you are Joe Wasp from Omaha, you might not have ever had a group of black kids or Jews point at you and laugh at you and spout all manner of disgusting slurs. Joe Wasp might even never have felt any prejudice at all, at least not on the level of being hated merely for his skin color.
However, it's my impression that most, if not all, for example, blacks and Jews have felt some of that kind of treatment sometime in their lives. And I do find that lack of empathy for others experiencing prejudice sad. Every person should be able to understand how prejudice makes others feel and is inappropriate; every person who has experienced the disgusting extreme of that prejudice should especially feel that sort of empathy.
Why should I give one minority a pass when that person uses, for example, a slur and a derisive adjective to describe another minority? Are you actually making the "minorities can't be racist" argument? Or are you just suggesting that it's inappropriate for me to point out to someone who has experienced prejudice that what he is doing is just as bad? Because that's stupid, too. Encouraging introspection is the most effective way to get people to change their beliefs.
You can bet that I would respond in the most effective way (to the extent appropriate in a professional setting or unlikely to cause a brawl) to get people to actually reconsider their beliefs, actions or statements. I think it's also sad and pathetic that you're more concerned about pointing a finger and trying to be better than everyone else than actually trying to address a problem. But it's doesn't surprise me.
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