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Tyrone Slothrop 07-06-2010 05:08 PM

Re: It is an absolute fact Hank
 
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Originally Posted by Atticus Grinch (Post 427910)
Once your general pop. numbers get that crazy high, strange things happen with stats. For example, I hear 40 people a year die in India when their rectal thermometers are struck by lightning. Or that at any given moment, a person in India is experiencing firsthand every aspect of the plot to a Nicholas Sparks novel. It's like monkeys on typewriters over there.

http://www.vikramchandra.com/Portals..._Cover_Big.jpg

taxwonk 07-06-2010 06:17 PM

Re: It is an absolute fact Hank
 
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Originally Posted by Did you just call me Coltrane? (Post 427873)
I moved to the suburbs about three weeks ago. It was a sad transition, but having a yard is awesome.

That being said, I really have to tone down my driving when I'm in my suburb. Apparently, there are actual rules there that I'm supposed to follow (as opposed to Chicago, where it is complete chaos - which actually works when, like you said, everyone else understands that there are no rules).

Detail me, Homes.

Icky Thump 07-06-2010 06:33 PM

Re: It is an absolute fact Hank
 
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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 427914)
I've found arranging for cars for clients is one of the cheapest frills that is most appreciated.

Ahh, here is where life comes full circle.

Ironweed's asshole friend could get a job as a driver for our car service if he (1) smoked more than 60 cigarettes a day in the car or (2) developed cataracts.

ThurgreedMarshall 07-06-2010 06:34 PM

Race
 
So, I went to see Race on Broadway last night. Not the original cast (most notably, no Kerry Washington) and the new actors were awful.

Eddie Izzard - He was fucking drunk. Slurring his words, dropping lines, correcting himself. The guy walked right through the role. And I wanted to like him because I generally love Eddie Izzard.

Dennis Haysbert - What a fucking complete fraud this guy is. His whole career is based on him having a deep voice. Because it sure as hell has nothing to do with his acting, which is atrocious.

The loser playing the accused - A complete fucking joke.

The young, black female associate - Can't tell if she would have been workable if she had something to work with because she had nothing to work with. Other than her looks and figure, she did not impress.

Finally, let's talk about Mamet. I've never seen Speed the Plow, American Buffalo or Oleanna but I have seen The Spanish Prisoner, Glengarry Glenn Ross, The Verdict and The Untouchables. I thought Glengarry and Untouchables were fantastic. The Verdict was good and The Spanish Prisoner was god awful.

But this play is a new low. The twist at the end is pointless. The (presumably purposefully) disjointed message he is trying to send through his characters about race is so random and meaningless that I felt like the whole exercise was a complete waste of everyone's time.

But there the overwhelmingly white crowd was, eating this shit up. Mamet is clearly skilled at delivering sharp-tongued dialogue. But without the necessary insight into the subject matter he is tackling, he comes off as a smart guy trying to trick someone into thinking he knows what he's talking about. Here's a tip: Whenever you have a prominent black character talk about how he can't stand when people assume he is where he is because of affirmative action, check the credits to see if whatever you're watching was written by a white man (or Alan Keyes).*

Anyway, the play is about a rich white man accused of raping a working class black woman and how his lawyers tackle the case. Stereotypes are thrown around for no real reason and the payoff at the end, as I said, is a complete waste of time. Mamet is in way over his head. And the standing ovation given by the large and almost entirely white crowd (thrilled at being comfortable enough to laugh at the phrase "little nigger bitch") made me a little sick.

I read an interview about his approach to the writing of this play and he said he didn't want to draw any easy conclusions for the audience. Bullshit. He's hiding. And his cowardice manifests itself through the audience's comfort.

Contrast this play with August Wilson's Fences, starring Denzel, which was a powerfully written, brilliantly acted, look at the effect of racism on a working class man, and the resulting consequences of that man's bitterness on his family. Mamet should be ashamed of himself for putting that steaming pile of shit on stage for all the world to see in the same country, let alone in the same 3 block radius as Fences.

TM

*This argument against affirmative action fails because whether or not affirmative action exists (and it sure as hell doesn't in almost every aspect of life), the presumption for almost every black person is that s/he is where s/he is because they were given something. It was always be that way.

Atticus Grinch 07-06-2010 06:58 PM

Re: Race
 
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Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 427921)
So, I went to see Race on Broadway last night. Not the original cast (most notably, no Kerry Washington) and the new actors were awful.

Eddie Izzard - He was fucking drunk. Slurring his words, dropping lines, correcting himself. The guy walked right through the role. And I wanted to like him because I generally love Eddie Izzard.

Dennis Haysbert - What a fucking complete fraud this guy is. His whole career is based on him having a deep voice. Because it sure as hell has nothing to do with his acting, which is atrocious.

The loser playing the accused - A complete fucking joke.

The young, black female associate - Can't tell if she would have been workable if she had something to work with because she had nothing to work with. Other than her looks and figure, she did not impress.

Finally, let's talk about Mamet. I've never seen Speed the Plow, American Buffalo or Oleanna but I have seen The Spanish Prisoner, Glengarry Glenn Ross, The Verdict and The Untouchables. I thought Glengarry and Untouchables were fantastic. The Verdict was good and The Spanish Prisoner was god awful.

But this play is a new low. The twist at the end is pointless. The (presumably purposefully) disjointed message he is trying to send through his characters about race is so random and meaningless that I felt like the whole exercise was a complete waste of everyone's time.

But there the overwhelmingly white crowd was, eating this shit up. Mamet is clearly skilled at delivering sharp-tongued dialogue. But without the necessary insight into the subject matter he is tackling, he comes off as a smart guy trying to trick someone into thinking he knows what he's talking about. Here's a tip: Whenever you have a prominent black character talk about how he can't stand when people assume he is where he is because of affirmative action, check the credits to see if whatever you're watching was written by a white man (or Alan Keyes).*

Anyway, the play is about a rich white man accused of raping a working class black woman and how his lawyers tackle the case. Stereotypes are thrown around for no real reason and the payoff at the end, as I said, is a complete waste of time. Mamet is in way over his head. And the standing ovation given by the large and almost entirely white crowd (thrilled at being comfortable enough to laugh at the phrase "little nigger bitch") made me a little sick.

I read an interview about his approach to the writing of this play and he said he didn't want to draw any easy conclusions for the audience. Bullshit. He's hiding. And his cowardice manifests itself through the audience's comfort.

Contrast this play with August Wilson's Fences, starring Denzel, which was a powerfully written, brilliantly acted, look at the effect of racism on a working class man, and the resulting consequences of that man's bitterness on his family. Mamet should be ashamed of himself for putting that steaming pile of shit on stage for all the world to see in the same country, let alone in the same 3 block radius as Fences.

TM

*This argument against affirmative action fails because whether or not affirmative action exists (and it sure as hell doesn't in almost every aspect of life), the presumption for almost every black person is that s/he is where s/he is because they were given something. It was always be that way.

In the time it took you to write this post, six Mumbaikars were hit by trains.

greatwhitenorthchick 07-06-2010 06:58 PM

Re: Race
 
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Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 427921)

Dennis Haysbert - What a fucking complete fraud this guy is. His whole career is based on him having a deep voice. Because it sure as hell has nothing to do with his acting, which is atrocious.

I don't have much to ass because I've always thought David Mamet is basically a fraud (I liked the Untouchables and Glengarry Glen Ross but they are just flashy bits of entertainment) when it comes to substance. He's good with dialogue, but has really nothing to say beyond being provocative.

But I am disappointed to hear that about Dennis Haysbert. I really liked him in Far From Heaven.

patentparanyc 07-06-2010 07:07 PM

Re: It is an absolute fact Hank
 
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Originally Posted by Icky Thump (Post 427920)
Ahh, here is where life comes full circle.

Ironweed's asshole friend could get a job as a driver for our car service if he (1) smoked more than 60 cigarettes a day in the car or (2) developed cataracts.


or doesn't wear deoderant/ fun time in 99 degree weather.

ThurgreedMarshall 07-06-2010 07:08 PM

Re: Race
 
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Originally Posted by greatwhitenorthchick (Post 427923)
But I am disappointed to hear that about Dennis Haysbert. I really liked him in Far From Heaven.

I haven't seen him in that. But he was just terrible in Race. Maybe it's because he couldn't possibly believe the crap that was coming out of his mouth, but I guess that doesn't help my opinion of him as an actor.

TM

patentparanyc 07-06-2010 07:12 PM

Re: Race
 
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Originally Posted by greatwhitenorthchick (Post 427923)
I don't have much to ass because I've always thought David Mamet is basically a fraud (I liked the Untouchables and Glengarry Glen Ross but they are just flashy bits of entertainment) when it comes to substance. He's good with dialogue, but has really nothing to say beyond being provocative.

But I am disappointed to hear that about Dennis Haysbert. I really liked him in Far From Heaven.

http://www.newjerseynewsroom.com/mov...id-mamets-race

the orig folks would have been better james spader and richard thomas.
it did not look like they have changed signage.

Fugee 07-06-2010 08:04 PM

Re: Race
 
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Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 427921)
So, I went to see [I]Contrast this play with August Wilson's Fences, starring Denzel, which was a powerfully written, brilliantly acted, look at the effect of racism on a working class man, and the resulting consequences of that man's bitterness on his family. Mamet should be ashamed of himself for putting that steaming pile of shit on stage for all the world to see in the same country, let alone in the same 3 block radius as Fences.

TM

Random and completely irrelevant factoid: August Wilson wrote Fences while living in St. Paul.

And based on your review I will pass on seeing Race if it makes it out here to flyover land.

Hank Chinaski 07-06-2010 08:30 PM

Re: Race
 
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Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 427921)
laugh at the phrase "little nigger bitch"

that was a punchline?

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*This argument against affirmative action fails because whether or not affirmative action exists (and it sure as hell doesn't in almost every aspect of life), the presumption for almost every black person is that s/he is where s/he is because they were given something. It was always be that way.
maybe I'll see the play in the fall when I'm in TCOTU, but I've not seen it.

But I had a detailed conversation about AA with a black man a few days after my state decided to ban it for school admissions. the day of the vote a white associate at my firm told me he really hoped it passed because "rich black kids in Bloomfield Hills are riding on it into better schools."

the statement was so stupid as to make my head explode, and i told the guy as much, while trying not to be too big of a lecturing assholes to him, because too many white people have no real experience with black people as complete people, especially here.

But in my later conversation I said AA needs to exist, at least for schools. There are too many bright young black men that have never had a father, and have no family history of college, and their mom works silly hours to keep them where they are (e.g. out of Detroit schools as an example). I said, there is no way you can say that kid is on equal footing with my kids or any other of the white kids growing up around them all. The black kid needs a chance, if nothing else the promise that he will have a chance so he work through school.

The black guy had an entirely different take on it. He didn't change my take so much as make me realize we can agree on where to go, but see different reasons.

And that made me realize that, even though I'm beginning to write, if I write a play about race, and there are characters expressing a black man's view I'm going to look for a co-writer., or at least a sounding board The divides and different experiences are still to imposing.

p.s. who knew he wrote the Verdict. I do think Ironweed would be better off if he had never seen that particular role model.

Hank Chinaski 07-06-2010 08:32 PM

Re: Race
 
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Originally Posted by Atticus Grinch (Post 427922)
In the time it took you to write this post, six Mumbaikars were hit by trains.

numbskulls, they're all being reborn as calves as we speak. namaste!

Tyrone Slothrop 07-06-2010 08:49 PM

Re: The thread where Spring has sprung, and Penske has risen from the law. Word!
 
I was getting mail on my gmail account all day until a little under four hours ago, since which time I don't think I've received anything. Anyone know if gmail is still working?

notcasesensitive 07-06-2010 09:10 PM

Re: The thread where Spring has sprung, and Penske has risen from the law. Word!
 
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 427930)
I was getting mail on my gmail account all day until a little under four hours ago, since which time I don't think I've received anything. Anyone know if gmail is still working?

My gmail is working. Got an e-mail about 10 minutes ago. Seems to be delivering them on time. Hank will have a snarky comment about your lack of popularity within the hour. He'll e-mail it to you.

Adder 07-06-2010 09:19 PM

Re: It is an absolute fact Hank
 
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Originally Posted by greatwhitenorthchick (Post 427895)
Or Nairobi. Having sisters who lived in both places and compared driving stories, I would say Cairo narrowly edges out Nairobi. However, my sister who lives in Nairobi has had the most friends/acquaintances die because of car/traffic accidents (like 15 or so over the past 20 years). Nuts.

The car/pedestrian interactions in Cairo were the worst I have seen. In that the pedestrians just walk out into traffic (because they have to), and somehow they seem to avoid each other.


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