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ThurgreedMarshall 07-07-2010 12:08 PM

Re: The thread where Spring has sprung, and Penske has risen from the law. Word!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 427951)
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5360134

Bosh plus Wade is not enough anymore is it? But maybe it forces LeBron to give Miami better consideration?

Again, if I'm D Wade I really don't want to be on LJ's team. unless they change the rules to allow two balls.

I agree. Lebron going to Miami would be very, very weird. Wade's and James' styles do not fit together like Jordan's and Pippen's or Kobe's and Shaq's did. I don't see how you beat a team with those three, but I think James is smart enough to know two alphas isn't the best situation for him.

That said, why the hell would he go back to Cleveland, who has done nothing besides fire their coach? That team is fucking awful. Take away Lebron and you have last year's Nets.

Best immediate situation is to go to Chicago and have them sign Boozer. I don't think it's ideal and I can't imagine he'd want to spend the rest of his career trying to live in Jordan's over-sized shoes, but if I were him, I'd prefer that to Miami.

If he was truly smart, he'd sign with the Knicks and convince Paul to come over after the 2010 season (when Paul can decline his player option). That would be the absolute best situation for him. And that team would have the best balance of any. I don't think he's going to sign with the Knicks, though.

TM

Sidd Finch 07-07-2010 12:08 PM

Re: Race
 
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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 427960)
I can think of very few white writers who create compelling black characters. Faulkner. Then who?

But every black writer I've ever read (that I can think of now) can create compelling white characters.

Maybe it's a white problem, not a race problem.

I found TM's comments about the play interesting. And not at all surprising, given my own feelings about David Mamet.

But Jesus H, the level of white-guilt it has prompted is ridiculous.

I will summarize: White people are bad. White writers cannot make interesting black characters. And no one on this board has ever watched The Wire.

Replaced_Texan 07-07-2010 12:10 PM

Re: Race
 
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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 427960)
I can think of very few white writers who create compelling black characters. Faulkner. Then who?

But every black writer I've ever read (that I can think of now) can create compelling white characters.

Maybe it's a white problem, not a race problem.

I don't know much about the composition of The Wire's writing staff (I've never seen the show), but from what I understood, the characters, black, white, women, were very well done. I don't know what the audience demographic was for that show (though I suspect it was targeted at men 18-35).

ETA: I did not see Sidd's post before posting. :D

ThurgreedMarshall 07-07-2010 12:10 PM

Re: Race
 
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Originally Posted by Did you just call me Coltrane? (Post 427955)
This ^ comment is going to anger TM more than Mamet's play did.

I have probably seen the Hamptons episode ("I was in the pool!") 20 times. Just saw it again last week. Still hilarious.

It shrinks?

Like a frightened turtle.

What's interesting is watching old episodes and discovering all the times Larry David used himself to be the voice of a character (not just Steinbrenner). Wait. I guess that's not that interesting.

TM

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 07-07-2010 12:12 PM

Re: Race
 
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Originally Posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) (Post 427953)
I can't quarrel with your assessment that her qualifications were laughable, but how can you not find a way to entertain yourself for 1/2 hour simply by staring at Miss Texas?

We're talking Miss Texas here. She was an anorexic vehicle for transporting large amounts of hair and greasy make-up. If only a nice hispanic girl had won and gone to law school instead.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 07-07-2010 12:14 PM

Re: Race
 
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Originally Posted by Sidd Finch (Post 427964)
I found TM's comments about the play interesting. And not at all surprising, given my own feelings about David Mamet.

But Jesus H, the level of white-guilt it has prompted is ridiculous.

I will summarize: White people are bad. White writers cannot make interesting black characters. And no one on this board has ever watched The Wire.

I haven't watched the wire. But if you can only come up with that one example, you're highlighting an issue.

On TV, I think it's the industry (see atticus). In novels, I think it's something else.

Pretty Little Flower 07-07-2010 12:15 PM

Re: Race
 
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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 427968)
I haven't watched the wire. But if you can only come up with that one example, you're highlighting an issue.

On TV, I think it's the industry (see atticus). In novels, I think it's something else.

Speaking of black people, Prince is a seriously tripped out dude:

http://blogs.citypages.com/gimmenois...es_uk_inte.php

patentparanyc 07-07-2010 12:19 PM

Re: Race
 
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Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 427966)
It shrinks?

Like a frightened turtle.

What's interesting is watching old episodes and discovering all the times Larry David used himself to be the voice of a character (not just Steinbrenner). Wait. I guess that's not that interesting.

TM

larry david. how many times in Curb. can you watch him fight with the Pakistani gas attendent and think GEE THAT'S FUNNY FOR THE 90TH TIME.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 07-07-2010 12:21 PM

Re: Race
 
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Originally Posted by Pretty Little Flower (Post 427969)
Speaking of black people, Prince is a seriously tripped out dude:

http://blogs.citypages.com/gimmenois...es_uk_inte.php

Wow. Playing electric guitar helps you keep your hair. I got to get me an electric guitar and take some time and learn how to play.

Gattigap 07-07-2010 12:23 PM

Re: The thread where Spring has sprung, and Penske has risen from the law. Word!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 427963)
I agree. Lebron going to Miami would be very, very weird. Wade's and James' styles do not fit together like Jordan's and Pippen's or Kobe's and Shaq's did. I don't see how you beat a team with those three, but I think James is smart enough to know two alphas isn't the best situation for him.

That said, why the hell would he go back to Cleveland, who has done nothing besides fire their coach? That team is fucking awful. Take away Lebron and you have last year's Nets.

Best immediate situation is to go to Chicago and have them sign Boozer. I don't think it's ideal and I can't imagine he'd want to spend the rest of his career trying to live in Jordan's over-sized shoes, but if I were him, I'd prefer that to Miami.

If he was truly smart, he'd sign with the Knicks and convince Paul to come over after the 2010 season (when Paul can decline his player option). That would be the absolute best situation for him. And that team would have the best balance of any. I don't think he's going to sign with the Knicks, though.

TM

An hour, LeBron? Really? WTF are you going to say to fill a full hour?

Adder 07-07-2010 12:26 PM

Re: Race
 
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Originally Posted by Replaced_Texan (Post 427965)
I don't know much about the composition of The Wire's writing staff (I've never seen the show)

There were different writers involved at different times, but the primary ones were creators David Simon and Ed Burns, who are both white. Simon was a beat reporter for the Baltimore Sun and Burns was a Baltimore city police for years, so they were nonetheless writing about things from their own experience.

ThurgreedMarshall 07-07-2010 12:26 PM

Re: Race
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 427960)
I can think of very few white writers who create compelling black characters. Faulkner. Then who?

But every black writer I've ever read (that I can think of now) can create compelling white characters.

Maybe it's a white problem, not a race problem.

It's a power problem. To be successful, whites don't need to know blacks. They can set up a two-dimensional stereotype (positive or negative) and live very happily with that. Move to the suburbs, build a gated community far away, build highways around "bad" neighborhoods, design an education system based on property taxes, etc. But blacks, hispanics and asians have to know white people to be successful. Hell, minorities don't have a choice but to know white people. They raise their kids, clean their houses, work for them in every capacity. We have to know how to keep you happy, learn how to be non-threatening, conform, adjust and assimilate. You can be a white person in this country and never, ever, ever have to answer to a black or hispanic person. You don't need to know anything them and, as a group, you actively limit your exposure. And almost every interaction involves a dynamic which doesn't require real knowledge.

The obvious rebuttal is that so much black and hispanic culture permeates American culture that whites have that knowledge, but that ain't true. It's that two-dimensional understanding that survives.

If I were a white guy writing a tv show or movie and wanted an authentic black character, I would hire an actor who could contribute meaningfully and incorporate his ideas. It's not like white writers and directors can't do it. The Wire and Treme are perfect examples of shows in which white people have actually learned (by submersion) black culture and have their characters speak and act authentically.

TM

patentparanyc 07-07-2010 12:30 PM

Re: The thread where Spring has sprung, and Penske has risen from the law. Word!
 
http://www.nydailynews.com/gossip/20..._my_child.html

I love Dina Manzo. she is very pretty and Danielle Staub is EVIL. damn. I've been to the brownstone. Caroline's husband waved to my daughter.

ThurgreedMarshall 07-07-2010 12:31 PM

Re: The thread where Spring has sprung, and Penske has risen from the law. Word!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Gattigap (Post 427972)
An hour, LeBron? Really? WTF are you going to say to fill a full hour?

I think it's kind of cool. Exploit the circus to send the proceeds to the Boys and Girls Club? Very savvy. Can you imagine Kobe, ARod or any other modern athlete doing that?

TM

ThurgreedMarshall 07-07-2010 12:32 PM

Re: Race
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Adder (Post 427973)
Burns was a Baltimore city police

Nicely done.

TM


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